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The Arab World – Enemies within, Enemies without
Michael C , Lyon: Nov 24 2008
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The Arab World – Enemies within, Enemies without
The problems faced by the modern Arab World are largely due to its modernisation. And therein lies a cruel irony.

Most Arab societies did not initiate their own processes of modernisation, because those processes came into being under European influence, and they materialised in the form of differently adapted European models of judicial, political, economic and educative systems. Their armed forces were also remodeled upon those of Europe.

The result was that from the 1800’s until well into the 1900’s, European principles of civil and human rights and citizenship were admired and respected, and, in some rare cases, integrated. It may seem hard to believe now, but colonialism was seen as a lesser evil at that time if not as a blessing.

This situation no longer exists of course, and it has now become evident that European influence upon the Arab World, although it replaced what was semi-obscurantism in some countries, must take its share of the blame for what has become an international tragedy.

The violent repression of all forms of autonomist and independentist movements by colonial countries, and the economic exploitation of Arab economies, put an end to what had been, up until then, a relatively stable situation.

European values, once held in high esteem, began to be seen as being a menace to Arab countries’ culture and independence, and relations between Europe and the Arab world slowly, but surely, deteriorated.

It is important to remember that all of this happened well before the United States had any strategic or commercial interests or influence in that part of the world.

Then the two World Wars came and went and the United States became a major world player.

Then came the creation of Israel. This was not the handiwork of the United States either (although they had more than just a passing interest in how things would unfold). The creation of Israel was largely a European affair and most of its planning and execution was carried out by the British and the French; In other words, the two countries who had the most to gain, or lose, as a result of it.

Since then, as we know, European influence on world affairs has declined and the United States is now the biggest world superpower.

And their relations with, and ingerence in, Arab countries and affairs has naturally and mechanically increased and this has led us up to today’s situation, which sees the United States being hated in most Arab countries. American errors in managing global affairs have done nothing to help either.

Thus the United States too, and not just Europe, must accept their part of the blame for the current state of affairs.

So much for the Enemies without.
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But what of the Enemies within?

Who are they?

If you remember, I said that Western societies must accept THEIR PART of the blame.

But I didn’t say ALL of it.

So let’s take a look at the other side of the coin, the others who are to blame.

The Enemy within.

It would be absurd to suggest that the problems of the Arab World are uniquely the fault of the West, particularly as Arab countries have by and large organised their own internal societal existence for over half a century; That is to say since the end of the colonial era.

The Enemies within the Arab World are to be found in its historical past, quite simply because many of the worst pre-colonial societal structures subsist there.

National Liberation leaders have continued to maintain and encourage ideological conflict within their own borders, and this for two reasons.

First of all, various power-hungry leaders and religious organisations have continued to foment unrest between muslims and christians, sunnites and shiites, as well as the different social and class strata of their societies in order to maintain their grip on power or to grasp power for themselves.

This phenomena goes back centuries.This is the perverse logic of political and military dictatorships and social apathy. It’s called the Divide-and-Rule Principle.

But these regimes are not the only ones to benefit from the divide-and-rule game.

Religious authorities have also exploited the situation with messages of intolerance and xenophobia because the enormously rich power bases of many Arab countries have abandoned large swathes of their poorer populations, and these populations find refuge within religious organisations and communities which provide a social framework and organisation. This naturally engenders a sentiment of belonging and being taken into account. These parallel politico-religious structures dispose of a large social base and an enormous parallel economy which provides social services and education to many poorer Arabs. It also means that these structures are where self-interested religious power groups recruit their idealogical and thelological foot soldiers.

This means that the more or less authoritarian leaders and the rich upper classes have a vested interest in maintaining links with religious leaders and structures and vice-versa. They are mutually dependent and share power together.

The second reason for the deliberate stirring-up of internal conflict concerns Arab countries’ external relations. Many intra-Arab wars have been fought on religious or cultural pretexts in order to give the people a scapegoat for their problems. A scapegoat which distracts them from the real problem, which is the unbending regidity of their countries’ socio-religious fabric.

This is one of the reasons (the other being the Western meddling I described above) for the deliberate fanning of anti Western flames for domestic purposes. The United States represents the ideal fall guy for the moment and is depicted as being at the root of all the problems. This is quite simply not true. These flames of distractionist manipulation are fanned by Arab leaders and religious authorities in order to keep themselves in power.

The current ideological East-West battle is not an accident. It is being deliberately and insidiously exacerbated by international interests by some and domestic interests by others.

It is time for the Arab World and moderate arabs and muslims to accept that this is a real problem, and that it is counter-productive to pretend it isn’t.

Powerful national and politico-religious lobbies in Arab countries are cynically using the “Western Menace” as a pretext for suppressing dissent and unrest amongst the millions of ordinary and peace-loving Arabs and Muslims.

The result and the reality are widespread press and internet censorship, poverty, the hijacking of justice and the police and the judicial systems and the exploitation of poor arabs by their rich and powerful “brothers”.

There is however a glimmer of hope for the future. Recent strikes in some countries, a small but growing independent media network, an increase in political revendications by writers, intellectuals and university authorities, feminism and growing dissatisfaction amongst the young, they all represent that tiny point of light.

I wish them all luck.

And I sincerely hope that the Enemy within, in the form of corporate religious and authoritarian interests, shall one day crumble and shatter under the irrepressible weight of Arab people’s desires for peace and freedom.

Because, as long as the people of the Arab World have not won the battle against the Enemy within, the Enemy without will always exist, maintained in existence by the exploitation of Arab populations by their leaders.

(This post is dedicated to all those in Middle Eastern countries who work towards peace)

Michael C

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Oscar
Oaxaca, Mexico
FABULOUS POST MICHAEL....

It is a shame how hate is bred in so many countries. East vs WEST, North vs South. why? For what true reason? Power, ego, and blind, unblemished, unquestioned control....

We all have mirrors at hand..We need to make use of them, look deeply into it and face facts..People CAN change, one by one we CAN make a difference..
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Thanks Oscar,

It was a pleasure to write this for more than one reason, as you know.

I know what you mean, and what is even more surprising and frustrating than those who want to control their people (human nature?) is that there are many ordinary people, small guys, who actually BELIEVE all the hate they are being fed, be it by Bush or Hezbollah or anyone else.....

That’s why press freedom is so very important, and that’s why some people don’t want it........
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Michael Michael Michael... Great post as usual... but I must disagree about something here (knowing that I DO agree with most of the rest up there :D)... O.K...so,
To you, Hizbullah are probably a bunch of terrorists who play the strings of ”divide and conquer”... while to me, they are the army that kicked Israel out of Lebanon, supported the Palestinians all along the way... (and you should know how I particularly feel about that)... and to me, it’s not about religion, if it was, then I would be supporting the Hariri family since they are Sunnites just like me, and instead, I chose to go for Hizbullah, The Shiites, whose army set the Lebanese South free from the Israeli army...

other than that, I like what you wrote.. Oh, and thanks for the dedication in the end :P
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Listen you, :):):):):)LOL

the day you agree with EVERYTHING I say shall be a sad day indeed!!!! GOT IT??!!

I didn’t say that Hizbollah were terrorists, but I do think they play the game. These people are not innocent choirboys. C’mon!!.

I said that organisations like Hizbollah are fighting for their own interests, and, (seeing as you choose them as an example), the perpetual battle against Israel is yet another pretext for continuing the violence.

Israel (for which I harbour no particular affinity) did not just suddenly decide to wage war on Labanon with no pretext whatsoever, as far as I know.

What I DO know though, is that the vicious cycle (fed by the Israelies as well as their opponents) is continuing.

THAT’S the tragedy....

Concerning your personal affinities, I understand the tragedy of your situation.......

Believe me.....

If not, I wouldn’t have put this post up.........................
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Oh great, the sad day has not arrived yet :D.. concerning Hizbullah, well, again I say that their part of the game is legitimate (man I’ve been using that word a lot lately!!!), after all, they are fighting for their country, inside their country... but hey, you have the right to believe what you believe, after all, I do understand the we both think of different issues when we contemplate such a subject...

and...thanks :)

Peace :)
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Very subtle point, whether you know it or not.

Of course their cause is legitimate. It’s legitimate in the given context. Just as the right of modern Israelies (who did not decide the Great Divide) have a legitimate right to live where they do.

I’m not taking sides here. The problem is in the details, but I will not accept that Arabs and Jews die for the perpetuity of what should be long-gone and archaic hatreds which, for radical Jews as well as for radical Arabs, serve as pretexts for the continuation of the denial of ordinary people’s wishes.

No-one is going to persaude ma that all Jrws want the extermination of Arabs, or vice-versa. Some do, but they are pawns in the hands of bigger interests. They just can’t see it, that’s all.

And of course you and I think of different issues. Our personal issues and preoccupations are not the same.

But peace is, and I’m sure you will agree, the ultimate goal, and not ”winning” or ”losing” corporate interest battles which will always result in our subjugation....
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Peace... Not a simple word at all... We pray for that, but there’s a lot that needs to happen before it is reliased... so we shall pray... and write...and write...
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Michael C
Lyon, France
In other words, and to be perfectly clear, Hizbullah wants power.

And on and on and on and on and on and on it goes.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Michael

Who does not want power,except a saint.And even most of them really wanted power in a devious round about way.What should count is how you exercise that power- for justice or for oppression and exploitation.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Absolutely right Hassan.

Power is power. Period.

Power over others is a human concept which has absolutely nothing to do with the hopes and aspirations of ordinary people.

Be it secular or religious, it’s all about man manipulating man, and that’s why I really can’t look at all this from a spiritual or secular point of view.

It’s not about where man should be going for the common good.

That’s just a smokescreen for whoever uses that reasoning.

It’s all about control.

And, unfortunately, Mumbai is yet another example of those power games....

So sad....
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Michael C
Lyon, France
........And write, and communicate, and break down the barriers and hatreds.

My mother was killed by anti-german fascists.

Waddya want me to do?

Hate all Germans??????!!!!!!!!!!

I write about what I know and what I have seen.

And what I have seen has to stop.

For the sake of all of us.

For the powerful, it’s just a game.

I am small. So are you.

Change is to be found in our changing things, and not in the perpetuation of what killed those who died.........
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Oscar said that we need mirrors.

He is so right.

And he is so right...................

.......that it hurts.

Mirrors.
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Reshmi
Bangalore, India
Excellent post Michael..by now you must have got used to such words :-|...but still I will say it!! Encore, encore..
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Hi!!!!!

I’m not the only one LOL, as YOU know.

(Oh, and since when did you speak français....?)

A bientôt,
Me.
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Leena
Kolkata, India
Hi Michael, Amazing information and analysis! You are so very correct... unless the enemy within is defeated, the enemy without will keep lingering around. To add to what you say, I think the root cause of the enemy from within is the basic human motivations of selfishness and hunger for power, the basic Freudian motives which are causing all kinds of trouble in this world. I wonder if mankind will ever be able to overcome these.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
You are one-hundred-and-four-per-cent-right!!!!

Of course it’s basic human behaviour, and, as far as I know, no culture or part of the world has lessons to give to another on the subject.

The article was about leaders, but it’s just as bad for individuals who come down on one side or the other, the Blame Game. Blaming others is nothing more than intellectual laziness and a refusal to question oneself.....or one’s culture. It can even go as far as being no more than the vicious expression of some people’s hatred of the world and a refusal to contribute....and that’s called moral cowardice.

Thanks for you very pertinent comment Leena, as usual.

Seeya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Oh, Leena, forgot to say. ”Can we overcome these?”

Probably not, probably never, like war itself.

But the more people try, the more people denounce hatred, the less war there will be, that’s for SURE.

”Less” may not be perfect, but it’s better than falling into the total chaos that no-one trying would inevitably lead us...
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Michael,

An interesting post which hi lights the fact that we do tend to see the world with the tint of the glasses each of us wears! And the problem with mirrors is that though each of us loves to hold it up to the other; very few like it when held up for us to see our own face. So you may not understand – or like this –but here is hoping for the best.

Taking one of your points: The problems faced by the modern Arab world are largely due to its modernization. You are so right, but not in the way you think
And another
“Powerful national and politico-religious lobbies in Arab countries are cynically using the “Western Menace” as a pretext for suppressing dissent and unrest amongst the millions of ordinary and peace-loving Arabs and Muslims”. You are so rightagain , but not in the way you think

Now taking the first point; what exactly do you mean by Arab modernization and when did it start? And if you say “Most Arab societies did not initiate their own processes of modernization, because those processes of modernization came into being under European influence” can you identify the precise point at which the Arabs were modernized and by whom? I shall leave this point here and come to it later.

Taking the second one “Powerful national and politico-religious lobbies”.Oh come off it! Which powerful national lobbies in Arabic countries? The only ones I know of in each is the royal families and those who are loyal to them – and these are loved by the west for it created their national boundaries as well as their thrones and thus are useful. And even in the few Arab Republics I have seen since childhood democracy (will of the people) has never flourished. You think this is because Arabs are stupid? No sir, this is because it becomes the need of the hour, for precisely the same reasons that sheikhs have their sheikdoms.

Ok let me explain this last sentence .A democracy is a government for the people, of the people and by the people. Hence only the strong can afford it; in weaker countries-like the Arabs and most Muslim countries - it must cater to the whims of the masters and not it’s people .This keeps on generating opposition till a dictator avails the resentment to take over. Now he does indeed become a problem for the west like for example Nasser of Egypt, Gaddafi of Libya ,Saddam of Iraq –and even at some stage a co-operative one like Masharraf of Pakistan when he is not doing enough and some one else becomes available who can promise more. In any case as history proves they are difficult to remove but not impossible to do so.

Now have I been able to explain the problem of Arab and Muslim states. But this leads to the next question .Why are Muslim masses not happy with pro-western leaders? The answer is obvious isn’t it ;the west’s values must be conflicting so drastically with the social, moral and ideological values of even the most moderate amongst us ,that they find it both impossible and unnecessary to make the adjustments needed. I have only worded it thus to make it easier for you to try and follow my point. A more precise way to re frame it would be that over a period of very close interaction with the west, with every year a larger percentage of even the moderates Muslim masses are coming to the conclusion that the west is both unwilling and incapable of not only tolerating our religio-cultural values – but also determined to perpetuate it’s economic and cultural domination under the guise of modernization, greater freedom and democracy.

That brings me back to my initial question. What exactly do you mean by Arab modernization and when did it start? Can you identify the precise point at which the Arabs were modernized and by whom? Allow me to suggest that the process started with the end of World War -1.GB hoped to capitalize on it, but events overtook her ambitions and therefore the US capitalized instead! Indeed it is not only the Arab world, but also the Muslims, Europe, Russia India and China which continue to grapple with the consequences of that modernization till today. Here are a few of the main problems created by this whose evil effects persist to this day:

• US Economic Domination of Europe .The war enabled the USA to improve its economic, industrial and political base at the expense of Europe. US GDP improved sharply, while the GDP of all European nations with the arguable exception of GB decreased. Even GB was forced to cash in its massive investments in American railroads and thereafter borrow heavily on Wall Street and later from the U.S. government .europe was placed under perpetual US debt.
• German Resentment. The Germans resentment of the harsh terms imposed after WW-1 swept Adolf Hitler to power on an agenda of regaining German lands and dignity. On assuming power he found no difficulty in reuniting the Saarland and remilitarizing the Rhineland in March 1936. By March 1937 he re possessed Austria and Sudetenland;and also occupied Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
• Russian Resentment. Russian disgruntlement at the way the war was going for the country created conditions for the rise of communism. Even though after this Russia withdrew from the war it was still forced to part with much of Russia’s western frontier which were formed into the Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland .Resentful of this ,the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, including a secret agreement to split Poland and Eastern Europe between themselves. In September 1939 both the Germans as well as the Soviets would invade Poland,dividing it between themselves .Then by June 1940 the Soviet Armed Forces would complete the re - occupation of their lost Baltic States
• Muslim Resentment. Even Modern Islamic world issues with the West found their birth in this war.The Khilafat was abolished and Ottoman Empire divided into numerous Arab ‘client’ states of the Middle East with arbitrary political boundaries drawn and imposed by the victors.The remaining Turkish core was reorganized as the Republic of Turkey. The birth of Israel and the roots of the continuing Conflict; as also the resulting Islam vs. The West bitterness can be traced directly to elimination of the khilafat and the unstable power dynamics of the Middle East which were born at the end of World War I.
• Collective Social and Moral Trauma. WW 1 thus witnessed collosal death and destruction;the economic and political bankruptcy of Europe;the tearing up of German and Ottoman empires as well as the USSR and the arrival of USA on the European stage as the leading economy and power broker The immorality of it all led to a collective trauma effecting different people in different ways and giving rise to many ideologies or movements. Some of these were: Pacifism, secularism, liberalism, Nazism , fascism, socialism, communism, and pan-Islamism. Thus even the seeds for the two national liberation movements of India and current Muslim distrust of the west were sown in this war.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Hi Hassan!!

And thanks for this.

Hmmm where do I start LOL?

Ok. ”what exactly do you mean by Arab modernization and when did it start? And if you say “Most Arab societies did not initiate their own processes of modernization, because those processes of modernization came into being under European influence can you identify the precise point at which the Arabs were modernized and by whom?”

The answer to that Hassan, is that there is NO precise answer to your question, becxause there was no PRECISE moment, but it is certainly NOT after WWII, something of which you seem so certain. ”Modernisation” for me means the process of the Arab world being influenced by Western values, and that happened more than a century before the USA arrived, as I said in the post. I know you do not like the USA, no problem, but blaming them for the century of Arab countries’ disenchantment with Western values that preceded their arrival on the world scene is just not valid, I’m afraid.

Concerning ”national” lobbies, I mean any of various nationalist political organisations in various countries. Arab countries DO have other leaders than just sheikhs and royal families Hassan. They have nationalist political organisations and are no longer in the middle ages.

”Do you think Arabs are stupid?”

I’m afraid that this kind of ”question” doesn’t do any credit whatsoever to your intellect Hassan. It doesn’t deserve an answer. Sorry.

”Why are Muslim masses not happy with pro-western leaders? The answer is obvious isn’t it”

Obvious? Ok, if you say so......

Your analysis of the two world wars and their effect on the Arab world is correct, I think, apart from your comment concerning Muslim resentment. As I said higher up, I think this resentment existed WELL BEFORE WWI, and thus was not a result of it. WWI did, however, exacerbate it.....

So Hassan, hope this answers your questions.

Seeya!!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Michael,

First I identified WW1 and not WW2 as the starting point of the ’clash of ideologies’ which have now been reduced to the stage of ’clash of civilizations’ by some western writers and media(US writers mostly who take this to read clash of Islam and Christianity);as they think Europe fascist and socialistic and communistic ideologies.Time shall prove them wrong as both Europe and Russia shall reassert themselves as the USA weakens in it’s self imposed what it thinks is the only remaining (self created foe0 Islam.

By end of WW-2 US hegemony over western Europe was complete.

By end of Russo-Afghan US hegemony over all of Europe was complete and it started it’s war for mid-east and Asia.With iraq and Saddam gone ,the middle East was in the bag.

Now we are in the middle of the war for Asia.The main enemy for US to defeatis China -perhaps Russia too;India and Pakistan are the means to get a foot beach head for US in Asia -as French -German rivalry was the means in Europe.

Let’s wait and see how it goes?

”Modernisation” for me means the process of the Arab world being influenced by Western values, and that happened more than a century before the USA arrived, as I said in the post”.

A century before US arrived there was no start of western influences .There was only Lawrence of Arabia working to over throw the Ottaman khalifat and establish puppet sheikhdoms instead.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Hello Hassan, and thank you for your comment.

As you know, I have decided to stop writing, reading and commenting on political/geopolitical issues on IB.

This is because it all seems to be about blaming the west for the woes of this world. That’s understandable, I suppose, because this is a predominantly Asian site.

It’s just that I see things in a much more subtle and less simplistic way, and say so in articles I publish elsewhere, in the infamous western media, and notably in one of the four biggest British dailies (under another name).

I cannot accept the blame game. Sorry, but I just think the blame cuts both ways.

I came here for fun, but it all seems to inflamed and empassioned and angry here. That’s why I write about other stuff now on IB.

That’s why I can’t, unfortunately, respond to your comment. (In fact, maybe I’ll take the post off).

Hop you understand,

Michael
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Michael,

Ok that’s fine with me.but I shall certainly keep on posting our issues here.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
That’s great Hassan, and that’s exactly as things should be.

We should, and we must, go where we want, and need, to go.

For that is the right of all free men.....
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
read ...as they think Europe fascist and socialistic and communistic ideologies are defeated ...for ...as they think Europe fascist and socialistic and communistic ideologies
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Hassan Sahib, you have referred to Lawrence of Arabia and his role in overthrowing the Ottaman Khalifat and establishing sheikhdoms instead. Here I reproduce what Tariq Ali wrote in a lengthy essay on Kashmir in the London Review of books way back in 2001.
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Akbar Jehan , wife of Sheikh Abdullah was bestowed with the fancy title of Madri-i-Meharban, the Kind Mother. The Lion (Sher-i-Kashmir Sheikh Abdullah) depended on the Kind Mother to impress famous visitors, to receive them during his frequent absences in prison, and to give him sound political advice. Akbar Jehan was the daughter of Harry Nedous, an Austro-Swiss hotelier, and Mir Jan, a Kashmiri milkmaid. The Nedous family had arrived in India at the turn of the last century and invested their savings in the majestic Nedous Hotel in Lahore – later there were hotels in Srinagar and Poona. Harry Nedous was the businessman; his brothers, Willy and Wally, willied and wallied around; his sister, Enid, took charge of the catering and her pâtisserie at their Lahore hotel was considered ‘as good as anything in Europe’.
Harry Nedous first caught sight of Mir Jan when she came to deliver the milk at his holiday lodge in Gulmarg. He was immediately smitten, but she was suspicious. ‘I might be poor,’ she told him later that week, ‘but I am not for sale.’ Harry pleaded that he was serious, that he loved her, that he wanted to marry her. ‘In that case,’ she retorted wrathfully, ‘you must convert to Islam. I cannot marry an unbeliever.’ To her amazement, he did so, and in time they had 12 children (only five of whom survived). Brought up as a devout Muslim, their daughter Akbar Jehan was a boarder at the Convent of Jesus and Mary in the hill resort of Murree. Non-Christian parents often packed their daughters off to these convents because the education was quite good and the regime strict, though there is evidence to suggest they spent much of their time fantasising about Rudolph Valentino.
In 1928, when a 17-year-old Akbar Jehan had left school and was back in Lahore, a senior figure in British Military Intelligence checked in to the Nedous Hotel on the Upper Mall. Colonel T.E. Lawrence, complete with Valentino-style headgear, had just spent a gruelling few weeks in Afghanistan destabilising the radical, modernising and anti-British regime of King Amanullah. Disguised as ‘Karam Shah’, a visiting Arab cleric, he had organised a black propaganda campaign designed to stoke the religious fervour of the more reactionary tribes and thus provoke a civil war. His mission accomplished, he left for Lahore. Akbar Jehan must have met him at her father’s hotel. A flirtation began and got out of control. Her father insisted that they get married immediately; which they did. Three months later, in January 1929, Amanullah was toppled and replaced by a pro-British ruler. On 12 January, Kipling’s old newspaper in Lahore, the imperialist Civil and Military Gazette, published comparative profiles of Lawrence and ‘Karam Shah’ to reinforce the impression that they were two different people. Several weeks later, the Calcutta newspaper Liberty reported that ‘Karam Shah’ was indeed the ‘British spy Lawrence’ and gave a detailed account of his activities in Waziristan on the Afghan frontier. Lawrence was becoming a liability and the authorities told him to return to Britain. ‘Karam Shah’ was never seen again. Nedous insisted on a divorce for his daughter and again Lawrence obliged. Four years later, Sheikh Abdullah and Akbar Jehan were married in Srinagar.
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Later the same Akbar Jahan, former heartthrob of the Lawrence, too helped in establishing the sheikhdom in Kashmir. Is it a sheer coincidence or a machination by the Britons.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Thank you so much Anil, for this fascinating, instructive, well-written and, with respect to the post, subtle and fair-minded synonomic point of view. I have enjoyed every word of it.

(I must admit that I was tempted to draw a conclusion from it, but I think that whoever reads it should do it for him/her self. It’s well worth the analysis).

Wish there were more like you on this site...

Respects,

Michael
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Anil Je,

Thanks for reminding me of this ’gem’ of an information.I read it years ago,and filed it somewhere in my brain to follow it up- and forgot.I shall do so ,and get back to this comment if i find anything in it.Do let me know if you have any other juicy leads on this.

I must say here this bit is entirely possible.Such going on’s were entirely ’in’ amongst the seekers of powers at European hands.You must no doubt be familiar with the Nehru-Lady Mountbatten affair.

I think Michael has mixed up Sheikh Abdullah with a real ’sheikh’here.
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i have a slightly different view.. the problem of the ARAB world is OIL!! case in point lets take Africa.... many of the African states have bigger issues and are far more lawless...why is US or UK not as interested there any why is most of the dirty work there left to the UNITED NATIONS ??

Saudi Arabia is the nucleus of all the issues where they support US (their biggest customer) on one side and on the other side fund terror....

recommend all to see this movie Syriana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana the movie which has also linked OIL to Terrorism and all the problems in Arab world
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Hello Vishal, and thanks for your comment.

You are right about oil.

However, I don’t think it’s fair to single out only the US and the UK as not being interested (which they are not, I agree).

C’mon Vishal, NO-ONE’S INTERESTED IN AFRICA!!!

The Indian sub-continent, Japan, Russia, South America, NO-ONE’S interested in the plight of Africa.

So why the knee-jerk reaction of asking only why the West isn’t?

I have NOT seen any evidence of India flying to the rescue. Normal. India needs oil too.......and has more important diplomatic games to play.

Seeya!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Vishal,

The oil problem is over.it is no more an issue.As I said with Saddam gone mid-east is in the back.Arabs have been tamed.Now what remains is Asia.The first phase of this is South East Asia;that means Iran,Pakistan,Afghanistan,India.Then is China and Russia if they can keep up economically.
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Vishal, yes, it is the petro-dollar which has brought havoc to our generation. China prefers to ignore the plight of citizens in Darfur only for the sake of oil in Sudan. The entire politics of Mideast revolves around hydrocarbons or say the oil. And the US has been a pastmaster in exploiting the oil reserves in the Mideast.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Anil,

Very correct.But please don’t stop at what has by now become obvious to every one.Look ahead to see how they fate that befell Europe and mid-east awaits this region too-if we continue to quarrel.
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michael - the reason India was not interested was simple.. so far the west has been the biggest customer of OIL...

India and China are recent kids on the block.. and its well know than BECAUSE of OIL India has a soft corner for Iran...

As Iran is working a pipeline to pump oil to India passing through Afganistan and Pakistan....

My point on Africa was more to tell you that there are bigger issues than the ARAB world there but it is ignored by everyone as if Africa dosen’t exist in the map
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Vishal,

Of course neither the west ,nor India nor Pakistan are interested in being saints for Africa.ever one has to look after their own house.Even more so when robbers are lurching in the region to break in.

”As Iran is working a pipeline to pump oil to India passing through Afganistan and Pakistan.”

Yes that is the way forward to the future.Regional co-operation between the powerful countries of the region(two out of which would be super powers).But as you know powerful elements have been working to sabotage this.In fact the Mumbai madness may be part of this effort.
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Also China is currently MIGRATING millions of Chinese into Africa.. in the pretex of building infrastructure.. there

looks like Soon Africa will be a chinese colony ;-)
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Michael C
Lyon, France
You are absolutely right in all you say.

But let’s wait and see if India, as the new kid on the block, proves to be any more altruistic or humanitarian than the West concerning Africa.

Do you really believe that???????

Business is business my friend, and India, as far as I can see, is not going to change it..........on the contrary; the bigger India gets....

Normal. Realpolitick oblige.

Thanks for writing.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Vishal,

The Chinese are the wisest people on God’s earth.Their modern history bears this out.Korea,Vietnam ... even Pakistan they help in a very big way;but never dominate in the least.If they are going to Africa,they will really increase the circle of true friends.

They are a sincere and hardworking group of people bent on leading the world towards economic and political freedom through self example.
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hassan

have you ever been to china? do u know people there?

I think we should keep china discussion for another day...

all i can say it is the only country in the world which can shut down a country for 6 months for the olympics...
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Blah Machine
india, India
What a fascinating set of discussions this has sparked off, Michael. Just for that, the angst of triggering so much anger must be all worth it.

The human world eventually functions purely on perspectives, doesn’t it. Individuals (small as we are, as you point out), contribute, each in our own way, to influence mammoth outcomes. That’s why perhaps each one of us owes the world responsible thought and speech. Since the start of this month and sporadically even now, we hear about Pak troops being on high alert and in a state of war-like preparation. All triggered, it appears, by a prank call between the highest diplomatic channels...

It’s a crazy world, to think of what stuff like this can lead to. It’s even more remarkable that, through it all, there are thinking people among us who can wear myopic lens, see things in absolute terms, be able to label things ’good’ and ’evil’, carry persecution complexes, be able to identify the ’enemy’ with chilling clarity... how can this not lead to complete, utter annihilation?

I’d be very interested to see what direction a similar discussion on Africa would take...
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Michael C
Lyon, France
And, finally, here comes the Blah Machine.

For anyone who does not know the Blah Machine, she flits around here, from time to time, and says nothing but what is true.

It is so good to see you here lady.

It’s incredible, as you imply, how pre-concieved ideas just preclude any kind of understanding. I have big problems with that.

Africa? I would have liked to have written about it here (and do elsewhere) but seeing as I now know that the west is to blame for it, and everything else, I shall not ”piss against the wind” as we say., Tastes bad.

I shall leave the last word of my comment to you. Says it all.....

”The human world eventually functions purely on perspectives, doesn’t it. ”
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Lestat Sterescu
Bucuresti/Bangalore, Romania
Let’s put it this way. Idle talk here at a board isn’t going to do much. The west vs Arab states vs India and how Africa suffers is done to death.

Nothing is going to ever happen unless people get off their systems and do some reality check, and stop indulging in armchair thinking.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Amen to that.

Who needs the Blame Game.

Thanks.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Lestat,
That,s exactly what we are trying to do.Islam says the pen of a scholar is worth the swords of a thousand martyrs.
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Hassan Sahib, I am at a loss to understand your anguish over my contextual reproduction of what has been narrated by Tariq Ali, a Pakistani. You talked about Lawrence of Arabia. Tariq Ali also talked about Lawrence of Arabia. That is why I was tempted to borrow the writings of Tariq Ali. I note that you have not found anything in this reproduction. I assure you that if I would have any other such juicy tale, I would not refrain to share in the Instablogs. But what was the context of telling the Nehru and Lady Mountbaten affairs here. Almost everyone in India knows it.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Anil Ji,

You read too much in my reply.I mentioned Nehru because ’wasn’t he a Kashmiri too?”Relate it to ”I must say here this bit is entirely possible.Such going on’s were entirely ’in’ amongst the seekers of powers at European hands”.

You are quite right I do not find anything in this tale;as it is the story of one man -even if in written form.I will look for confirmation and get back ,do let me know if you have anything more on this.And that is why I have stated ”I shall do so and get back to this comment if i find anything in it”.

Of course I can see now what is wrong in the last sentence .I meant to type ..if I find anything(more) on it;and instead typed ’anything in it’.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Vishal,

Have you ever been to China? do u know people there?

I think we should keep china discussion for another day...

Ok if you sat so.But I didn’t bring China into the discussion;my comment was only in reply to yours and some other ones which stated China would make a slave of Africa.

I only gave very impartial examples of how maturely they deal with issues.I could have given even better ones of such dealings even where their national pride was involved e.g Hong Kong which they regained peacefully through negotiations ;and now their patience over Tiwan.

Yes I have been to China and have seen the great progress they are making.Also about 20 years ago I was fortunate enough to develop a close relationship with a deputy PM of China;and he gave me some insights into where China expected to be by 2020 and how.

Believe me they have stuck to -and worked very hard to implement -their plan;and offensive wars or occupations of aggression are no part of those plans.
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