
I am disgusted. That means that you are about to (or not, as you wish) read my last article here.
ANONYMOUS REGULATION AND MORALISM.
This is the straw that broke my camel’s back.
“This exchange cheapens this site!
This is a current events and commentary blog, not some social networking site.”
That is a recent comment on this article;
http://shahwar.instablogs.com/entry/for-the-child-in-all-of-us-mystic-order/
I am a friend of Sharwah K’s. I have many other friends here too. We have all had fun lately, just hanging out and writing fun articles from time to time for the sheer pleasure of doing so. All of us write serious and well written posts. But life is not only “Hard News” and so we thought we had the right to, and we used to, like taking a break sometimes and talking between contributors to this site just for fun. Apparently that is not acceptable any more, so it’s finished as far as I’m concerned.
(Oh, and in case you don’t know who I am, you need to know that my political and other “Current Events” posts have been amongst the most highly rated of all the posts on the whole of this site, so I don’t need ANY lessons about the quality of current events contributions from ANYONE. The same is true of other contributors to this heinous crime of a fun post).
We were just having innocent fun, and so this “Member”, and “Her” comment, has left me with a very bad taste in my mouth.
So why am I so angry about it?
And why did I write “Her” In inverted commas?
I’ll tell you why.
I am angry because I think that the “Member” called “Rita Vashnida” who “contributed” that comment does NOT exist. I think she is NOT a real Instablogs contributor, but an incognito site moderator or manager (See below, ‘Stars’)..
Why do I think that?
GO SEE!! No articles, no friends, no tracks, no tracking, NOTHING AT ALL ON THE PAGE!. C’mon!!!!!!!
Am I expected to believe that someone who doesn’t contribute anything! Ever! suddenly feels so strongly about that particular post?????? And does not answer answers to what she says???!!!
Listen and get real. The wonderful “Stars” on almost all my articles (30, 40, 50, even 90!! Wow!!!!) are majoritarily given by this kind of anonymous and articleless (nb. new word I just invented) “member” with no friends etc.......) Great! I am pleased about that.
BUT!!!!!!
I may be dumb, but I am NOT stupid.
Umm. Don’t you understand yet?
OK, LET ME SAY THIS LOUD AND CLEAR!!!
THIS IS AN INSTABLOGS POLICY COMMENT, UNLESS SOMEONE CAN DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE!!!!
(Just to finish my comments on this particular topic.......
...............Shahwar K has taken all but two of her articles off the site because of this disgusting episode.
........................And I have done the same.
Never know. Incriminating evidence and all that.....)
HAPPY? SOMEONE?????????????????? (PLEASED FOR YOU).
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So. Next up?
“But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
These are just a few of the xenophobic, racist and hateful things I have read here with respect to (my) Western culture and origins and spirituality. In fact, those are the quotes of just TWO writers!!! I could have filled an entire page with this type of “opinion”!!!
(I have tried to find corollary Western hatred on this site as a comparison, but there is (almost) none).
———————
I came to this site to build bridges.
But there are no bridges.
There is almost no offered hand here.
There is nothing but the burnt bridges which signify the willfully blind expression of the arrogant and self-accorded superiority which hides the disarray of millions.
That’s ok. No problem. I’m a big boy now and I know when I’m not wanted, so I shall not bother you any more with my blasphemous and worthless Western points of view. I shall leave you alone here so that you can pat each other on the back and say how wonderfully right you are and how worthless and bad we Western Infidels are, and then there shall be no-one left, little by little, (because I am, and shall not be, alone) to annoy you with my ignorance and bigotry, my filth and my Satanic values, my inferiority complex vis-a-vis your Messianic Magnificence.
I didn’t come to this site to see my values vilified. I wanted to talk about what could be done, but apparently all the answers have already been found.
I have even had to suffer the condescending remarks of someone who thinks that my spiritual existence and efforts are worth nothing without a “formal” knowledge of who “god” is!!!!!!
Strange coincidence, but a French friend emailed me this today.
“La religion est faite pour ceux qui ont peur d’aller en enfer,
La spiritualité est faite pour ceux qui y sont déjà allés»
In English it means
« Religion exists for those who are afraid to go to hell, and
Spirituality exists for those who have already been there”.
Oops, sorry. We’ve all got it wrong. Oh, well, no-one’s perfect after all.
Have “fun”.
“STARRING”
Finally, (and, ironically, the least/most important thing I wanted to say) this ridiculous “Starring” debate makes me want to vomit. Throw up. Park the Tiger.
I have recently noticed that there is a very well known link-poster (as opposed to article writer) who has created a (if not more than one) false identity in order to “Star” his own articles!!!!!!
(He and those concerned shall know who he and/or they are).
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My writing and opinion deserve no more or less than the recognition they get.
That’s all, and I’m quite happy with that. That is of no importance.
I’ve had more than my share of “Stars” on this site. More than most people. I can’t complain.
My thanks to those who have appreciated my words.
But that’s not why I joined this site.
And that is also why I have written to the site to ask that they take away my “Regional Editor” “Badge”. I’m just not motivated any more. I do what I think is right. I protect my friends, my culture.
I CAME HERE TO MEET PEOPLE, TO MAKE FRIENDS, TO WRITE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. I DID NOT COME HERE FOR ALL THIS ABUSE AND NEGATIVITY.
(To think that I was so naive as to write articles like “Muslims and the West – the Blame Game”. You know, about how people and cultures should meet? Stop the hate and animosity?)
Wow!! That’ll teach me to be so cool!!!!!)
I’ve had enough of this circus.
So don’t comment or star this article if you don’t want to. I couldn’t care less.
I really could not care less.........................
I’m beginning to think that I should just stay in the West. It may not be perfect, but the rest is looking really scary to me....
I shall leave you with the words of the fragile and insignificant and magnificent Butterfly who did not ask for all this. (Nor did I).
THE SKY IS GREY...
IT REFLECTS OUR SINS BELOW!
Defend your friends, and defend who and what you are, for that is what, and all, you are.
Michael C
Users, including but not limited to, pure commentators, pure voters, pure sharers, pure readers, or pure all-rounders, make the whole Instablogs Community. As the driving forces behind the whole show, we should respect every bit of time spent by each and every member; whether it’s just a single comment or a vote.
I’m a regular reader of Michael and Shahwar. Many a times, I’m too engrossed with their out of the blue viewpoints in articles and poems that I even forget to vote and come back later to do so. The magic starts from the headlines itself and goes on and on. Forget about commenting, as the pieces are so full that you feel like not to disturb the rhythm. Still I have my say sometimes. This all should not deter us from sharing our viewpoint with the world. It’s really sad that both have taken their articles off the site.
As a citizen journalist, one should always be ready to face criticism, as you take the appreciation. People are the real News. The world will react. This is how we share ‘my world’ with ‘their world’ and play our role. Instablogs has always tried to give more power to its users. The tools/features like the trash and negative buttons on the comments are part of that effort. If any user finds that there are hate comments, they can use their power in a truly democratic manner.
I hope that both would continue acting as invaluable driving forces behind the community with your viewpoints, as mentioned here and here and we all cherish it.
You are right about sharing. My way of sharing involves trying to be as informative as possible, whilst at the same time expressing my opinions.
That doesn’t include the deliberate denigration of ideas and cultures. That goes against the very idea of journalism and is called propaganda.
That’s becoming a problem on many sites, as you say. I just hope it doesn’t infect Instablogs to the point where Westerners begin to see it as being a place where their opinions are not welcome.
Thanks.
I see you have poured your angst and heart out here...creative ventilation...!
I appreciate it!
And thus it calls one last comment from me here!
I was here to share the joys of intellectual creativity, to discuss the joys of thinking...
...but it’s too dark here.
I am a poet...and there’s a lot of stuff around which is detrimental to a sane mind!
I can’t take all this hatred, jealousy and inhuman behaviour...!
The real world is bad enough...we artists don’t need a virtual world to make things more miserable!
There are although some very decent people here as well, but on a whole, (a subjective perception) it all boils down to sensual and personal criticism!
An artist can take infinite blows on his/her art, to make it better...but not a caustic, personal, impusive attack...or fanciful allegations!
Some people are doing good work here...and I WISH THEM ALL THE BEST...!
goodbye!
REGARDS TO YOU SIR!
GOD BLESS...!
Michael its part of the game...some people are just plain jealous of others popularity in such site...
As you mentioned , a person who don’t have anything to post or comment...found time to bash you...its really fishy... she/he must be an active user who don’t have the courage to
Say that with her real username..
You being such a wonderful writer and a matured guy ..Should not take such things seriously...I am sure there are many others including me who love to read your posts..
Considering your serious posts and other articles of social relevance...there is perfectly no harm in posting not-so-serious posts once in a while..
I would like to see more articles from you and Shahwar.
I think Michael should not pay an iota of attention to it. He should just ignore and keep up with his excellent work.
This has all been very tiring though. Trying to talk with some people just earns you vituperation and condescension. Unfortunately, because I’m only human too, I have gooten more than exasperated by some of the ignorant bigotry I read and.....and I didn’t come here for slanging matches.
Several of the people I know have seen their pages infected with propaganda and aggression from people who are not even interested in what the writers are writing about!!!
Seeya!
I have tried, believe me. And it’s been so difficult because these people are people I really believe want no good.
And that is very hard to stomach.....for a man of my strong convictions and firm beliefs.
Thanks.....
Yes, I KNOW you know what kind of people are messing up the vibe here as you have seen it for yourself...
Awful. Just awful.
so, I am asking you and Shahwar, please guys... reconsider...
The world certainly needs to change, and let’s hope it’s for the better, if not it’s back to the middle-age Obscurantism that I thought over. It’s incredible to think that there are people out there who are so twisted that they risk taking us back there.....
We all are here to share our viewpoints and meet new cultures and people (virtually) but over this short period of time we have developed a relationship that shakes the worldly abhorrence at the very first site of it. There are and there will always be people who would mind, suspect or hate our relationship which is no way less than a family. However, in this family we are always open for new members and like any other family there are arguments but this never means one has to leave the family.
I am very much concerned about how you can even think of leaving Instablogs. Michael and Shahwar, please reconsider your decision.
”share our viewpoints and meet new cultures and people”
That’s exactly what I came here for. Unfortunately though, as in any family, or culture, there are those who turn out bad. Those are some of the people I have met here.
I am interested in geo-politics and this awful East/West clash. And I am very sorry (and obliged to say) that some of what’s being written on this issue is no more than hatred towards the West. The examples quoted above exist on the site (I’ll send you more details if you like) and are quite simply driving me away from the whole thing. It’s such a shame. These people don’t share viewpoints, they don’t dialogue.
And THAT’S the problem........
i do hope that both of you will be back sooner rather than later but i believe that every thing has an end if parting with you folks is destined than so be it
pl do not blame the poor soul for she may be a doll in the hands of destiny let us part with positive vibes
amen
You are someone I appreciate very much Shiv. Your voice deserves to be heard. By everyone..........
I shall answer every individual comment later today.
Thanks again.
Lovely tunes & eye catching ladies had set the dance floor on fire
Liquor was competing with the flow of the river
The weather was just right
But despite being there I was else where
I cared for no one
To me nothing mattered
For i was mourning our miserable parting
I do not know why life is so unkind to me
Whenever I start loving some one
It moves away as if it is a dictate of divine
This is a small desire of my innocent heart
You may take it as our earnest request
Please do not leave us so abruptly
Ignoring our earnest pleas & bottom less love& affection for you
So what you some unknown person broke your heart
After all you have mended so many broken hearts
Have brought cheer in our lives
Where existed none
From the winter of despair you have entered our lives
Like on set of spring
On a hot summer day
You are a cool gust of wind
Or a fresh water spring
An oasis in dessert
Why our happiness is always a mirage
Nature takes away from one hand what it gives from another
Feelings & sentiments
Dreams & aspirations are slave to none
Heart can not be ruled by any one except love
No permission is required, no permit is needed
To love some one from the core of heart
After all we do not plan to love some one
It is an instant chemical reaction
The language of love follows no grammar
The song of love has no symphony
Can dark night ever prevent the lovely sunrise
harshest snow melts with a sunny smile
your heart appears to be solid as rock
as nothing can move it
All we get a high voltage shock
But the labor of love can never get lost
you may leave us in the lurch
but we will continue with our search
we will look for you in the very nook & corner of the earth
on a full moon night we will look for you in the soft glow of the night
when sun will sheepishly peep from a hill far away
when it arises from the depth of the ocean
it will remind us of your innocent banter
we will keep praying for your safety & well being
whenever birds will sing & a butterfly will flutter
whenever we will have strawberry & cream
English tea , cookies & biscuit
We will look for you o dear
May be our paths will cross again
After all we are travelers to the same destination
So what you have chosen to taken a detour
We are sure to catch up with you
Till than good bye my friend
For get us not ,for we remain your soul mates
All of us are children of destiny
Hamare nanhe se dil ki ek choti si khwahish hai
Apke chahne walon ki farmiaish hai
Humain is tarah chor kar na chale jaiye
Hamari masum mohabbat ko na thukraiye
Kya hua agar kisi ne apka dil toda
Apne to lakhonke dilon ko hai joda
Jajbaat aur armaan kisi farmaan ke gulam nahin
Kisi taj ya thakt ki meharbani ke mohtaj nahin
Mohabbat ka daman hamesha saaf hai
Akhir ashik ko ashiki main sau khoon maaaf hain
Hum jab chand sitaron ko dekha karenge
Aapke kadmon main sijda karenge
Aap jahan rahe salamat rahain
khuda se bas yahi dua karenga
Aaapka daman khushiyon se bhara rahe
Yah hamari tamanna rakhaingerahegi
Aapke intjaar main ye aankhain tadpa karengi
Jindgi ke har mod per jab aap piche mud kar dekhainge
Humain apne intjaar main khada payenge
Aap beshak is hamari dunia se ja sakte hain
humare dil se aap rukhsat na ho payenge
Aapse milna hamare liye jaroori hai
Jinda rahne ke liye ummid bahut jaroori hai
Warna jina jindagi ki majboori hai
Khuda hafiz
Dear madam
I do not know or care what you think of me
But I must say you have no idea what a casual & mindless act of yours has done to our my lives
It will be our earnest request to please give us back our soul
Please cloth our poem with words
And our song with symphony
We will be for ever grateful to you
This is our promise
Words right from your heart... you summed up your emotions so beautifully..
I am sure Michael and Shahwar will reconsider their decision after reading this.
amen
bad people dominate politics because good people do not go there
i have never cared what people say ,so long i am convinced about my actions i am answerable only to my conscience
which is god for me
I would, however, like to hope that some good people go there, because if they do not, all is lost. I am trying to be one of them. In fact I have no choice. I’n just made that way.
And, of course, others, those like yourself, do not go there, because god is their conscience. As I say, there are moments........
Vikas just wrote that to me in a very kind message; just one very kind message of many. You know, I like to consider my self a good driver in real life, so there’s no reason why I shouldn’t be one here either. Thank you all for every word. I am extremely surprised and touched by this unexpected show of fraternity. Which is why I wrote to say I would not leave.
I am not the only one who is touched by your words. Many of you would like Shahwar back here. She just asked me to post this for her..
”I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THANK AND CONVEY MY HUMBLEST WISHES TO ALL WHO GENUINELY CONVEYED THEIRS TO ME...I AM REALLY GRATEFUL...
I CAN’T GO TO WAR
I CAN’T WIELD A KNIFE
BUT I CAN USE MY PEN
TO RIVAL ALL SWORDS...”
I will be posting monday, around 11am my time.
I will be posting thanks to, and for, you all.
Michael
I cannot but to remember one of Molière’s famous quotes: ”Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money.”
One cool guy with off-the-wall posts about weird stuff that only off-the-wall people will love and many will read in order to ask themselves ”Who IS this guy???!!!”
Yip! I honestly, and really, think that some people here are either completely nuts, heavy drinkers, or heavy drug takers!!!
One of them is ok (no-one’s perfect) two can be handled by the big boys, BUT BEING ALL THREE MEANS YOU ARE JUST WEIRDED OUT.
And one or two people here manage to be all TEN!!!.............
Seeya!
I admire what you write -even when and where I disagree.But I feel this post is not justified,because it is doing some of what you claim others must not do.
In other words over here you have the right to project your views;but you have no right what so ever to slur the views or writings of others no matter how much they differ from you.If you disagree the comments place is available for a dialogue not a duel.
Here only those will stay who
learn not only to accept criticism but also to rationally and coolly discuss the disagreements.those who expect everyone here to be singing the same tune cant be much fun anyway.
Having said that I am sorry to see Shahwar leave,and will really miss her if she chooses not to return.She was such a lively,spirited,innocently witty girl and poet having fun with the English language.I wish she returns.My genuine regret is that I failed to warn her in an email that on an eastern forum such comments would be liable to misinterpretation.
But she is a girl and like Farihia may have decided she’s had enough.As I said for Farihia it’s her choice-I hope she changes it.But for a man to leave on such grounds would be silly!
P.S. sorry just saw this and my email today.Was away to the village planting wheat crop.Spent 48 hours since glued to TV watching the ghastly tragedy at Bombay.too sleepy now ,will post a blog tomorrow. :)
Thanks. Yes, I too have been following the ghastly events in Mumbai.
I’ll be writing about it all on monday.
As for Shahwar, yes, it is a shame (although in my part of the world LOL you would be massacred for saying ”But she is a girl”!!! :-P).
Concerning slurs, I think if there is any slurring going on, it’s contained in the words I quoted. They are scurrilous. I am sorry you don’t appreciate my posting them.
They are not words, they are hatred.
And if I’m slurring people by putting them up, fine. I am guilty as charged, and I shall be a repeat offender.
Seeya!!
In fact, I’m gonna put them up again, just in case someone missed the message.
”But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
”But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
Of course the above is trash-and does not deserve to be paid any notice,let alone be responded to.Such wordings may perhaps be justified only -and even then barely- in response to equally idiotic remarks in the first place.
Those words are NEVER justifiable.
Not even barely.
Saying they can be is just semantic justification for what is impardonable.
They are Word games.
They are Head-fucking.
When people say things, they should be able to defend them afterwards, on their OWN meanings, and not because of what made them write them.
If those who wrote them can do so, then let them do so.
I just don’t want to be a part of it any more. People who hate the west, the east, muslims, christians, people who are too lazy to want to understand, they can all go play elsewhere.
I’ll just stay in my little corner and write my ”inconsequential” posts and I shall let others on IB give the lesson to us fascists and Hitlerians.
ps. I have not seen the ”politics and society” page in two weeks, and I feel all the better for it.....
Seeya!!
Local Opinions (37)
Things are going a little haywire, as you say Oscar. There seems to have been a surge upwards of virulent writing here recently and less unbiased analysis of things.
I really have the impression that some people here want to use the site as an Anti-Western platform.
I’m sure that the people who run the site don’t like it either and I really do laud all their efforts to keep this site going despite some extremely negative vibes right now.
This site represents an effort to draw people together from all over the world. It’s just a shame that some elements, noticeably from the Indian sub Continent, seem more interested in maintaining the Great Divide.......
I wish they could see that all they are succeeding in doing is reinforcing the (false of course) idea of Islam as being intolerant and dogmatic.
They are doing more harm than good to the cause of Moderate people all over the world, (unless that’s their intention).
Too bad.
Users, including but not limited to, pure commentators, pure voters, pure sharers, pure readers, or pure all-rounders, make the whole Instablogs Community. As the driving forces behind the whole show, we should respect every bit of time spent by each and every member; whether it’s just a single comment or a vote.
I’m a regular reader of Michael and Shahwar. Many a times, I’m too engrossed with their out of the blue viewpoints in articles and poems that I even forget to vote and come back later to do so. The magic starts from the headlines itself and goes on and on. Forget about commenting, as the pieces are so full that you feel like not to disturb the rhythm. Still I have my say sometimes. This all should not deter us from sharing our viewpoint with the world. It’s really sad that both have taken their articles off the site.
As a citizen journalist, one should always be ready to face criticism, as you take the appreciation. People are the real News. The world will react. This is how we share ‘my world’ with ‘their world’ and play our role. Instablogs has always tried to give more power to its users. The tools/features like the trash and negative buttons on the comments are part of that effort. If any user finds that there are hate comments, they can use their power in a truly democratic manner.
I hope that both would continue acting as invaluable driving forces behind the community with your viewpoints, as mentioned here and here and we all cherish it.
You are right about sharing. My way of sharing involves trying to be as informative as possible, whilst at the same time expressing my opinions.
That doesn’t include the deliberate denigration of ideas and cultures. That goes against the very idea of journalism and is called propaganda.
That’s becoming a problem on many sites, as you say. I just hope it doesn’t infect Instablogs to the point where Westerners begin to see it as being a place where their opinions are not welcome.
Thanks.
I see you have poured your angst and heart out here...creative ventilation...!
I appreciate it!
And thus it calls one last comment from me here!
I was here to share the joys of intellectual creativity, to discuss the joys of thinking...
...but it’s too dark here.
I am a poet...and there’s a lot of stuff around which is detrimental to a sane mind!
I can’t take all this hatred, jealousy and inhuman behaviour...!
The real world is bad enough...we artists don’t need a virtual world to make things more miserable!
There are although some very decent people here as well, but on a whole, (a subjective perception) it all boils down to sensual and personal criticism!
An artist can take infinite blows on his/her art, to make it better...but not a caustic, personal, impusive attack...or fanciful allegations!
Some people are doing good work here...and I WISH THEM ALL THE BEST...!
goodbye!
REGARDS TO YOU SIR!
GOD BLESS...!
Michael its part of the game...some people are just plain jealous of others popularity in such site...
As you mentioned , a person who don’t have anything to post or comment...found time to bash you...its really fishy... she/he must be an active user who don’t have the courage to
Say that with her real username..
You being such a wonderful writer and a matured guy ..Should not take such things seriously...I am sure there are many others including me who love to read your posts..
Considering your serious posts and other articles of social relevance...there is perfectly no harm in posting not-so-serious posts once in a while..
I would like to see more articles from you and Shahwar.
I think Michael should not pay an iota of attention to it. He should just ignore and keep up with his excellent work.
This has all been very tiring though. Trying to talk with some people just earns you vituperation and condescension. Unfortunately, because I’m only human too, I have gooten more than exasperated by some of the ignorant bigotry I read and.....and I didn’t come here for slanging matches.
Several of the people I know have seen their pages infected with propaganda and aggression from people who are not even interested in what the writers are writing about!!!
Seeya!
I have tried, believe me. And it’s been so difficult because these people are people I really believe want no good.
And that is very hard to stomach.....for a man of my strong convictions and firm beliefs.
Thanks.....
Yes, I KNOW you know what kind of people are messing up the vibe here as you have seen it for yourself...
Awful. Just awful.
so, I am asking you and Shahwar, please guys... reconsider...
The world certainly needs to change, and let’s hope it’s for the better, if not it’s back to the middle-age Obscurantism that I thought over. It’s incredible to think that there are people out there who are so twisted that they risk taking us back there.....
We all are here to share our viewpoints and meet new cultures and people (virtually) but over this short period of time we have developed a relationship that shakes the worldly abhorrence at the very first site of it. There are and there will always be people who would mind, suspect or hate our relationship which is no way less than a family. However, in this family we are always open for new members and like any other family there are arguments but this never means one has to leave the family.
I am very much concerned about how you can even think of leaving Instablogs. Michael and Shahwar, please reconsider your decision.
”share our viewpoints and meet new cultures and people”
That’s exactly what I came here for. Unfortunately though, as in any family, or culture, there are those who turn out bad. Those are some of the people I have met here.
I am interested in geo-politics and this awful East/West clash. And I am very sorry (and obliged to say) that some of what’s being written on this issue is no more than hatred towards the West. The examples quoted above exist on the site (I’ll send you more details if you like) and are quite simply driving me away from the whole thing. It’s such a shame. These people don’t share viewpoints, they don’t dialogue.
And THAT’S the problem........
i do hope that both of you will be back sooner rather than later but i believe that every thing has an end if parting with you folks is destined than so be it
pl do not blame the poor soul for she may be a doll in the hands of destiny let us part with positive vibes
amen
You are someone I appreciate very much Shiv. Your voice deserves to be heard. By everyone..........
I shall answer every individual comment later today.
Thanks again.
Lovely tunes & eye catching ladies had set the dance floor on fire
Liquor was competing with the flow of the river
The weather was just right
But despite being there I was else where
I cared for no one
To me nothing mattered
For i was mourning our miserable parting
I do not know why life is so unkind to me
Whenever I start loving some one
It moves away as if it is a dictate of divine
This is a small desire of my innocent heart
You may take it as our earnest request
Please do not leave us so abruptly
Ignoring our earnest pleas & bottom less love& affection for you
So what you some unknown person broke your heart
After all you have mended so many broken hearts
Have brought cheer in our lives
Where existed none
From the winter of despair you have entered our lives
Like on set of spring
On a hot summer day
You are a cool gust of wind
Or a fresh water spring
An oasis in dessert
Why our happiness is always a mirage
Nature takes away from one hand what it gives from another
Feelings & sentiments
Dreams & aspirations are slave to none
Heart can not be ruled by any one except love
No permission is required, no permit is needed
To love some one from the core of heart
After all we do not plan to love some one
It is an instant chemical reaction
The language of love follows no grammar
The song of love has no symphony
Can dark night ever prevent the lovely sunrise
harshest snow melts with a sunny smile
your heart appears to be solid as rock
as nothing can move it
All we get a high voltage shock
But the labor of love can never get lost
you may leave us in the lurch
but we will continue with our search
we will look for you in the very nook & corner of the earth
on a full moon night we will look for you in the soft glow of the night
when sun will sheepishly peep from a hill far away
when it arises from the depth of the ocean
it will remind us of your innocent banter
we will keep praying for your safety & well being
whenever birds will sing & a butterfly will flutter
whenever we will have strawberry & cream
English tea , cookies & biscuit
We will look for you o dear
May be our paths will cross again
After all we are travelers to the same destination
So what you have chosen to taken a detour
We are sure to catch up with you
Till than good bye my friend
For get us not ,for we remain your soul mates
All of us are children of destiny
Hamare nanhe se dil ki ek choti si khwahish hai
Apke chahne walon ki farmiaish hai
Humain is tarah chor kar na chale jaiye
Hamari masum mohabbat ko na thukraiye
Kya hua agar kisi ne apka dil toda
Apne to lakhonke dilon ko hai joda
Jajbaat aur armaan kisi farmaan ke gulam nahin
Kisi taj ya thakt ki meharbani ke mohtaj nahin
Mohabbat ka daman hamesha saaf hai
Akhir ashik ko ashiki main sau khoon maaaf hain
Hum jab chand sitaron ko dekha karenge
Aapke kadmon main sijda karenge
Aap jahan rahe salamat rahain
khuda se bas yahi dua karenga
Aaapka daman khushiyon se bhara rahe
Yah hamari tamanna rakhaingerahegi
Aapke intjaar main ye aankhain tadpa karengi
Jindgi ke har mod per jab aap piche mud kar dekhainge
Humain apne intjaar main khada payenge
Aap beshak is hamari dunia se ja sakte hain
humare dil se aap rukhsat na ho payenge
Aapse milna hamare liye jaroori hai
Jinda rahne ke liye ummid bahut jaroori hai
Warna jina jindagi ki majboori hai
Khuda hafiz
Dear madam
I do not know or care what you think of me
But I must say you have no idea what a casual & mindless act of yours has done to our my lives
It will be our earnest request to please give us back our soul
Please cloth our poem with words
And our song with symphony
We will be for ever grateful to you
This is our promise
Words right from your heart... you summed up your emotions so beautifully..
I am sure Michael and Shahwar will reconsider their decision after reading this.
amen
bad people dominate politics because good people do not go there
i have never cared what people say ,so long i am convinced about my actions i am answerable only to my conscience
which is god for me
I would, however, like to hope that some good people go there, because if they do not, all is lost. I am trying to be one of them. In fact I have no choice. I’n just made that way.
And, of course, others, those like yourself, do not go there, because god is their conscience. As I say, there are moments........
Vikas just wrote that to me in a very kind message; just one very kind message of many. You know, I like to consider my self a good driver in real life, so there’s no reason why I shouldn’t be one here either. Thank you all for every word. I am extremely surprised and touched by this unexpected show of fraternity. Which is why I wrote to say I would not leave.
I am not the only one who is touched by your words. Many of you would like Shahwar back here. She just asked me to post this for her..
”I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THANK AND CONVEY MY HUMBLEST WISHES TO ALL WHO GENUINELY CONVEYED THEIRS TO ME...I AM REALLY GRATEFUL...
I CAN’T GO TO WAR
I CAN’T WIELD A KNIFE
BUT I CAN USE MY PEN
TO RIVAL ALL SWORDS...”
I will be posting monday, around 11am my time.
I will be posting thanks to, and for, you all.
Michael
I cannot but to remember one of Molière’s famous quotes: ”Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money.”
One cool guy with off-the-wall posts about weird stuff that only off-the-wall people will love and many will read in order to ask themselves ”Who IS this guy???!!!”
Yip! I honestly, and really, think that some people here are either completely nuts, heavy drinkers, or heavy drug takers!!!
One of them is ok (no-one’s perfect) two can be handled by the big boys, BUT BEING ALL THREE MEANS YOU ARE JUST WEIRDED OUT.
And one or two people here manage to be all TEN!!!.............
Seeya!
I admire what you write -even when and where I disagree.But I feel this post is not justified,because it is doing some of what you claim others must not do.
In other words over here you have the right to project your views;but you have no right what so ever to slur the views or writings of others no matter how much they differ from you.If you disagree the comments place is available for a dialogue not a duel.
Here only those will stay who
learn not only to accept criticism but also to rationally and coolly discuss the disagreements.those who expect everyone here to be singing the same tune cant be much fun anyway.
Having said that I am sorry to see Shahwar leave,and will really miss her if she chooses not to return.She was such a lively,spirited,innocently witty girl and poet having fun with the English language.I wish she returns.My genuine regret is that I failed to warn her in an email that on an eastern forum such comments would be liable to misinterpretation.
But she is a girl and like Farihia may have decided she’s had enough.As I said for Farihia it’s her choice-I hope she changes it.But for a man to leave on such grounds would be silly!
P.S. sorry just saw this and my email today.Was away to the village planting wheat crop.Spent 48 hours since glued to TV watching the ghastly tragedy at Bombay.too sleepy now ,will post a blog tomorrow. :)
Thanks. Yes, I too have been following the ghastly events in Mumbai.
I’ll be writing about it all on monday.
As for Shahwar, yes, it is a shame (although in my part of the world LOL you would be massacred for saying ”But she is a girl”!!! :-P).
Concerning slurs, I think if there is any slurring going on, it’s contained in the words I quoted. They are scurrilous. I am sorry you don’t appreciate my posting them.
They are not words, they are hatred.
And if I’m slurring people by putting them up, fine. I am guilty as charged, and I shall be a repeat offender.
Seeya!!
In fact, I’m gonna put them up again, just in case someone missed the message.
”But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
”But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
Of course the above is trash-and does not deserve to be paid any notice,let alone be responded to.Such wordings may perhaps be justified only -and even then barely- in response to equally idiotic remarks in the first place.
Those words are NEVER justifiable.
Not even barely.
Saying they can be is just semantic justification for what is impardonable.
They are Word games.
They are Head-fucking.
When people say things, they should be able to defend them afterwards, on their OWN meanings, and not because of what made them write them.
If those who wrote them can do so, then let them do so.
I just don’t want to be a part of it any more. People who hate the west, the east, muslims, christians, people who are too lazy to want to understand, they can all go play elsewhere.
I’ll just stay in my little corner and write my ”inconsequential” posts and I shall let others on IB give the lesson to us fascists and Hitlerians.
ps. I have not seen the ”politics and society” page in two weeks, and I feel all the better for it.....
Seeya!!
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Things are going a little haywire, as you say Oscar. There seems to have been a surge upwards of virulent writing here recently and less unbiased analysis of things.
I really have the impression that some people here want to use the site as an Anti-Western platform.
I’m sure that the people who run the site don’t like it either and I really do laud all their efforts to keep this site going despite some extremely negative vibes right now.
This site represents an effort to draw people together from all over the world. It’s just a shame that some elements, noticeably from the Indian sub Continent, seem more interested in maintaining the Great Divide.......
I wish they could see that all they are succeeding in doing is reinforcing the (false of course) idea of Islam as being intolerant and dogmatic.
They are doing more harm than good to the cause of Moderate people all over the world, (unless that’s their intention).
Too bad.
Users, including but not limited to, pure commentators, pure voters, pure sharers, pure readers, or pure all-rounders, make the whole Instablogs Community. As the driving forces behind the whole show, we should respect every bit of time spent by each and every member; whether it’s just a single comment or a vote.
I’m a regular reader of Michael and Shahwar. Many a times, I’m too engrossed with their out of the blue viewpoints in articles and poems that I even forget to vote and come back later to do so. The magic starts from the headlines itself and goes on and on. Forget about commenting, as the pieces are so full that you feel like not to disturb the rhythm. Still I have my say sometimes. This all should not deter us from sharing our viewpoint with the world. It’s really sad that both have taken their articles off the site.
As a citizen journalist, one should always be ready to face criticism, as you take the appreciation. People are the real News. The world will react. This is how we share ‘my world’ with ‘their world’ and play our role. Instablogs has always tried to give more power to its users. The tools/features like the trash and negative buttons on the comments are part of that effort. If any user finds that there are hate comments, they can use their power in a truly democratic manner.
I hope that both would continue acting as invaluable driving forces behind the community with your viewpoints, as mentioned here and here and we all cherish it.
You are right about sharing. My way of sharing involves trying to be as informative as possible, whilst at the same time expressing my opinions.
That doesn’t include the deliberate denigration of ideas and cultures. That goes against the very idea of journalism and is called propaganda.
That’s becoming a problem on many sites, as you say. I just hope it doesn’t infect Instablogs to the point where Westerners begin to see it as being a place where their opinions are not welcome.
Thanks.
I see you have poured your angst and heart out here...creative ventilation...!
I appreciate it!
And thus it calls one last comment from me here!
I was here to share the joys of intellectual creativity, to discuss the joys of thinking...
...but it’s too dark here.
I am a poet...and there’s a lot of stuff around which is detrimental to a sane mind!
I can’t take all this hatred, jealousy and inhuman behaviour...!
The real world is bad enough...we artists don’t need a virtual world to make things more miserable!
There are although some very decent people here as well, but on a whole, (a subjective perception) it all boils down to sensual and personal criticism!
An artist can take infinite blows on his/her art, to make it better...but not a caustic, personal, impusive attack...or fanciful allegations!
Some people are doing good work here...and I WISH THEM ALL THE BEST...!
goodbye!
REGARDS TO YOU SIR!
GOD BLESS...!
Michael its part of the game...some people are just plain jealous of others popularity in such site...
As you mentioned , a person who don’t have anything to post or comment...found time to bash you...its really fishy... she/he must be an active user who don’t have the courage to
Say that with her real username..
You being such a wonderful writer and a matured guy ..Should not take such things seriously...I am sure there are many others including me who love to read your posts..
Considering your serious posts and other articles of social relevance...there is perfectly no harm in posting not-so-serious posts once in a while..
I would like to see more articles from you and Shahwar.
I think Michael should not pay an iota of attention to it. He should just ignore and keep up with his excellent work.
This has all been very tiring though. Trying to talk with some people just earns you vituperation and condescension. Unfortunately, because I’m only human too, I have gooten more than exasperated by some of the ignorant bigotry I read and.....and I didn’t come here for slanging matches.
Several of the people I know have seen their pages infected with propaganda and aggression from people who are not even interested in what the writers are writing about!!!
Seeya!
I have tried, believe me. And it’s been so difficult because these people are people I really believe want no good.
And that is very hard to stomach.....for a man of my strong convictions and firm beliefs.
Thanks.....
Yes, I KNOW you know what kind of people are messing up the vibe here as you have seen it for yourself...
Awful. Just awful.
so, I am asking you and Shahwar, please guys... reconsider...
The world certainly needs to change, and let’s hope it’s for the better, if not it’s back to the middle-age Obscurantism that I thought over. It’s incredible to think that there are people out there who are so twisted that they risk taking us back there.....
We all are here to share our viewpoints and meet new cultures and people (virtually) but over this short period of time we have developed a relationship that shakes the worldly abhorrence at the very first site of it. There are and there will always be people who would mind, suspect or hate our relationship which is no way less than a family. However, in this family we are always open for new members and like any other family there are arguments but this never means one has to leave the family.
I am very much concerned about how you can even think of leaving Instablogs. Michael and Shahwar, please reconsider your decision.
”share our viewpoints and meet new cultures and people”
That’s exactly what I came here for. Unfortunately though, as in any family, or culture, there are those who turn out bad. Those are some of the people I have met here.
I am interested in geo-politics and this awful East/West clash. And I am very sorry (and obliged to say) that some of what’s being written on this issue is no more than hatred towards the West. The examples quoted above exist on the site (I’ll send you more details if you like) and are quite simply driving me away from the whole thing. It’s such a shame. These people don’t share viewpoints, they don’t dialogue.
And THAT’S the problem........
i do hope that both of you will be back sooner rather than later but i believe that every thing has an end if parting with you folks is destined than so be it
pl do not blame the poor soul for she may be a doll in the hands of destiny let us part with positive vibes
amen
You are someone I appreciate very much Shiv. Your voice deserves to be heard. By everyone..........
I shall answer every individual comment later today.
Thanks again.
Lovely tunes & eye catching ladies had set the dance floor on fire
Liquor was competing with the flow of the river
The weather was just right
But despite being there I was else where
I cared for no one
To me nothing mattered
For i was mourning our miserable parting
I do not know why life is so unkind to me
Whenever I start loving some one
It moves away as if it is a dictate of divine
This is a small desire of my innocent heart
You may take it as our earnest request
Please do not leave us so abruptly
Ignoring our earnest pleas & bottom less love& affection for you
So what you some unknown person broke your heart
After all you have mended so many broken hearts
Have brought cheer in our lives
Where existed none
From the winter of despair you have entered our lives
Like on set of spring
On a hot summer day
You are a cool gust of wind
Or a fresh water spring
An oasis in dessert
Why our happiness is always a mirage
Nature takes away from one hand what it gives from another
Feelings & sentiments
Dreams & aspirations are slave to none
Heart can not be ruled by any one except love
No permission is required, no permit is needed
To love some one from the core of heart
After all we do not plan to love some one
It is an instant chemical reaction
The language of love follows no grammar
The song of love has no symphony
Can dark night ever prevent the lovely sunrise
harshest snow melts with a sunny smile
your heart appears to be solid as rock
as nothing can move it
All we get a high voltage shock
But the labor of love can never get lost
you may leave us in the lurch
but we will continue with our search
we will look for you in the very nook & corner of the earth
on a full moon night we will look for you in the soft glow of the night
when sun will sheepishly peep from a hill far away
when it arises from the depth of the ocean
it will remind us of your innocent banter
we will keep praying for your safety & well being
whenever birds will sing & a butterfly will flutter
whenever we will have strawberry & cream
English tea , cookies & biscuit
We will look for you o dear
May be our paths will cross again
After all we are travelers to the same destination
So what you have chosen to taken a detour
We are sure to catch up with you
Till than good bye my friend
For get us not ,for we remain your soul mates
All of us are children of destiny
Hamare nanhe se dil ki ek choti si khwahish hai
Apke chahne walon ki farmiaish hai
Humain is tarah chor kar na chale jaiye
Hamari masum mohabbat ko na thukraiye
Kya hua agar kisi ne apka dil toda
Apne to lakhonke dilon ko hai joda
Jajbaat aur armaan kisi farmaan ke gulam nahin
Kisi taj ya thakt ki meharbani ke mohtaj nahin
Mohabbat ka daman hamesha saaf hai
Akhir ashik ko ashiki main sau khoon maaaf hain
Hum jab chand sitaron ko dekha karenge
Aapke kadmon main sijda karenge
Aap jahan rahe salamat rahain
khuda se bas yahi dua karenga
Aaapka daman khushiyon se bhara rahe
Yah hamari tamanna rakhaingerahegi
Aapke intjaar main ye aankhain tadpa karengi
Jindgi ke har mod per jab aap piche mud kar dekhainge
Humain apne intjaar main khada payenge
Aap beshak is hamari dunia se ja sakte hain
humare dil se aap rukhsat na ho payenge
Aapse milna hamare liye jaroori hai
Jinda rahne ke liye ummid bahut jaroori hai
Warna jina jindagi ki majboori hai
Khuda hafiz
Dear madam
I do not know or care what you think of me
But I must say you have no idea what a casual & mindless act of yours has done to our my lives
It will be our earnest request to please give us back our soul
Please cloth our poem with words
And our song with symphony
We will be for ever grateful to you
This is our promise
Words right from your heart... you summed up your emotions so beautifully..
I am sure Michael and Shahwar will reconsider their decision after reading this.
amen
bad people dominate politics because good people do not go there
i have never cared what people say ,so long i am convinced about my actions i am answerable only to my conscience
which is god for me
I would, however, like to hope that some good people go there, because if they do not, all is lost. I am trying to be one of them. In fact I have no choice. I’n just made that way.
And, of course, others, those like yourself, do not go there, because god is their conscience. As I say, there are moments........
Vikas just wrote that to me in a very kind message; just one very kind message of many. You know, I like to consider my self a good driver in real life, so there’s no reason why I shouldn’t be one here either. Thank you all for every word. I am extremely surprised and touched by this unexpected show of fraternity. Which is why I wrote to say I would not leave.
I am not the only one who is touched by your words. Many of you would like Shahwar back here. She just asked me to post this for her..
”I WOULD LIKE YOU TO THANK AND CONVEY MY HUMBLEST WISHES TO ALL WHO GENUINELY CONVEYED THEIRS TO ME...I AM REALLY GRATEFUL...
I CAN’T GO TO WAR
I CAN’T WIELD A KNIFE
BUT I CAN USE MY PEN
TO RIVAL ALL SWORDS...”
I will be posting monday, around 11am my time.
I will be posting thanks to, and for, you all.
Michael
I cannot but to remember one of Molière’s famous quotes: ”Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money.”
One cool guy with off-the-wall posts about weird stuff that only off-the-wall people will love and many will read in order to ask themselves ”Who IS this guy???!!!”
Yip! I honestly, and really, think that some people here are either completely nuts, heavy drinkers, or heavy drug takers!!!
One of them is ok (no-one’s perfect) two can be handled by the big boys, BUT BEING ALL THREE MEANS YOU ARE JUST WEIRDED OUT.
And one or two people here manage to be all TEN!!!.............
Seeya!
I admire what you write -even when and where I disagree.But I feel this post is not justified,because it is doing some of what you claim others must not do.
In other words over here you have the right to project your views;but you have no right what so ever to slur the views or writings of others no matter how much they differ from you.If you disagree the comments place is available for a dialogue not a duel.
Here only those will stay who
learn not only to accept criticism but also to rationally and coolly discuss the disagreements.those who expect everyone here to be singing the same tune cant be much fun anyway.
Having said that I am sorry to see Shahwar leave,and will really miss her if she chooses not to return.She was such a lively,spirited,innocently witty girl and poet having fun with the English language.I wish she returns.My genuine regret is that I failed to warn her in an email that on an eastern forum such comments would be liable to misinterpretation.
But she is a girl and like Farihia may have decided she’s had enough.As I said for Farihia it’s her choice-I hope she changes it.But for a man to leave on such grounds would be silly!
P.S. sorry just saw this and my email today.Was away to the village planting wheat crop.Spent 48 hours since glued to TV watching the ghastly tragedy at Bombay.too sleepy now ,will post a blog tomorrow. :)
Thanks. Yes, I too have been following the ghastly events in Mumbai.
I’ll be writing about it all on monday.
As for Shahwar, yes, it is a shame (although in my part of the world LOL you would be massacred for saying ”But she is a girl”!!! :-P).
Concerning slurs, I think if there is any slurring going on, it’s contained in the words I quoted. They are scurrilous. I am sorry you don’t appreciate my posting them.
They are not words, they are hatred.
And if I’m slurring people by putting them up, fine. I am guilty as charged, and I shall be a repeat offender.
Seeya!!
In fact, I’m gonna put them up again, just in case someone missed the message.
”But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
”But not our minds to be fed on (western) filth. But these westerners have (no faith). We make peace with our own. With others we avoid contact. (A Muslim writer). But just for all bad things they give value (westerners). West has no culture per say .... Not only that west thinks in such a strange fashion that they are against anything which is good. 90% of west are bad. (Western) churches For Satan. Christianity is no religion at all. Islam is far superior.”
Of course the above is trash-and does not deserve to be paid any notice,let alone be responded to.Such wordings may perhaps be justified only -and even then barely- in response to equally idiotic remarks in the first place.
Those words are NEVER justifiable.
Not even barely.
Saying they can be is just semantic justification for what is impardonable.
They are Word games.
They are Head-fucking.
When people say things, they should be able to defend them afterwards, on their OWN meanings, and not because of what made them write them.
If those who wrote them can do so, then let them do so.
I just don’t want to be a part of it any more. People who hate the west, the east, muslims, christians, people who are too lazy to want to understand, they can all go play elsewhere.
I’ll just stay in my little corner and write my ”inconsequential” posts and I shall let others on IB give the lesson to us fascists and Hitlerians.
ps. I have not seen the ”politics and society” page in two weeks, and I feel all the better for it.....
Seeya!!
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Things are going a little haywire, as you say Oscar. There seems to have been a surge upwards of virulent writing here recently and less unbiased analysis of things.
I really have the impression that some people here want to use the site as an Anti-Western platform.
I’m sure that the people who run the site don’t like it either and I really do laud all their efforts to keep this site going despite some extremely negative vibes right now.
This site represents an effort to draw people together from all over the world. It’s just a shame that some elements, noticeably from the Indian sub Continent, seem more interested in maintaining the Great Divide.......
I wish they could see that all they are succeeding in doing is reinforcing the (false of course) idea of Islam as being intolerant and dogmatic.
They are doing more harm than good to the cause of Moderate people all over the world, (unless that’s their intention).
Too bad.