Thank you for your comment.

Denis, what the fuck is your problem?

Denis:

”People’s passions are stoked and they need to express ........”

that ismost definitly true, but there is a very thin line besides expressing one’s self and simply spewing hate and lacking respect...

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but it shouldn’t be made with the sole intention of provoking, hurting, or just generally f-cking over another.

And Denis, If you want to ’express’ yourself, and your ’opinion’, I believe you’re an eloquent man who can do it without offending anyone...
Many of your comments take a very offensive tone and are unacceptable, I’m sure, by their readers and those you address. Definitely unaccepted by me...

You’re of course, more than free to speak your mind but I see no reason to offend anyone while doing it. At least try to be a little more diplomatic and decent while you do it, rather than accuse people of idiocy, superficiality, and bizarreness!

Well Denis, for an individual who manipulate facts to accomodate your opinion, you are using strong words. You are certainly not the best example of person to place judgements about personal knowledge.

You are not concerned about Michael’s postings... You are after a vendetta because he expressed himself like many of us about your manipulatory articles.

If Michael’s articles are writen with the intention to exposing his opinions and the truth... his truth at least, you are no where to be comnpared.

If you have a beef, bring it on bitch...

Denis is all that a man should not be.

He is a man who hates his own country, a man who hates people because of their religious appartenance, a man who lies, a man who is intellectually destitute and bankrupt, and a man who, at the end of the day, must be a very sad and bitter man.

He should write a book.

”How not to grow older”.

Nice to see you Robbie!!

I agree. It’s becoming a serious and generalised problem on the site, which, as you know, is a major headache for the site’s organisers, all of whom do not like this trend.

Moreover it’s a problem for blogs all over the world, and has killed off more than one.

It would appear that some people are not able to differentiate between the right to free speech and the obligation to work towards a better world.

But that’s because they don’t really want a better world........

Thanks for your comment Sarah.

@ Sarah


” I know who is that one person who might have caused a ripple on the site....”

Please be informative in this regard,if possible. Who is that person? At least, that’s going to help me remain mentally alert while conversing with him ..ha..ha.

Arvind...
*blush*
Shoulder Shrug, *blush*

hahaha, well, don’t worry, there is always someone out there rippling...I’m sure you won’t miss it:P

Thanks Oscar.

As a man who loves his morning coffee(s), you will surely appreciate that the LAST thing anyone wants is to log on to the site with the first coffee of the day (and the first cigarette too, in my unforunate case) and see all the hate spilling out of the screen.

Sure spoils the taste of coffee......

(What’s particularly revolting here is that a lot of this garbage comes from bourguois Westerners who, if you asked them, would surely have the hypocrisy to answer that they are against war and for peace!!)

Seeya and thanks again.

Enjoy!!

Just be careful which post you read if you like good coffee LOL!!

lol!

For once, Arvind, my answer is a resounding NO, with all respects due to your kind thought and intentions.

I just happen to be incensed by the cretinous stuff put up here recently, and if no-one says or does anything about it it will NOT be good for Instablogs in my view.

I am pissed off becauseI like this site and am defending it.

It’s a bit like defending friends, in a way....

Again Arvind, thanks for your comment.

Yours,

He-Who-Likes-Cricket

@Michael

Whether anybody supports you or not I am there for you.

Only because I have discovered such ”infamous happenings” on Instablogs much earlier than anybody else.

In fact,I did echo my sentiments for the very similar reasons stated by you in this post.

Oh!! Good to see you Maya!! Hope you’re well.

Concerning Denis, I don’t understand either, to be honest.

I don’t want to ”get into him” here, but I think it’s only fair to ask questions about the motivations of someone who says - and I quote - ”I work in the peace business” whilst at the same time publishing anti-semitic sentiment and downright lies about jews.

Both are his right, of course, and if he can conjugate it all for himself, so much the better for him.

Excellent day to you Maya

Hello Anil,

I’m sorry, but I really do not see what you’re trying to say here. I haven’t said anywhere that ”opinions or comments should be regulated...”.

Where do I say I’d like to ”regulate” anything?

Could you indicate where you found this statement please? Maybe you’re mixing me up with another person or post.

What I AM saying is that I’m sick to death of the kind of posts I referred to.

Where do you see any calls for regulation?

I do, however, have the right to combat it via posts and comments. Instablogs is a self-regulated site, regulated by its members’ posts and comments. There is no editorial line. Why would you imply that I’d like things to be otherwise.

And I’m sure you’d agree with that.

(Strange comment, that one, Anil...)

Thanks

Thank you for your comment.

I shall not answer questions about my attitudes concerning change and personal feelings if you don’t mind. You are free to conjecture of course, but I do not feel obliged to explain who I am on the internet, or answer questions about how (not to be confused with ”what”) I think, or discuss my relationships with my friends...

Concerning points of view, the subject of jew/arab racism is not new. I have my opinions on it, and nothing I have read on IB has changed them yet. (Nor yours, it would appear).

No, I fight the kind of phenomena my post mentions, including your contributions to it, and shall continue to do so.

It’s my right, and my duty to what I conceive society to be. You don’t agree? That’s fine too.

Thanks

@DENIS

” If people have opinions that differ from yours, you can find out if they are true only by questioning them, by coming into active contact with them. And if you find that those opinions and feelings are not true, your discovery may cause disturbance to those who cherish them.”

-Very well said, Denis. I agree with your view. In other words, you have stated the principles followed in the court, where ample opportunities are provided to both the parties to defend their points. However, having said that, let me state very clearly that prejudices should not be allowed to rule the roost. It’s has become habit of some of the prominent contributors on Instablogs to hurl abusive and personal remarks. I have already stated that what you say is equally important the way you say.

If one is in league with proper facts and one is stating them with right intentions then we should have no problem at all to let the conversation/debate continue. There is no point in silencing those man/women who beg to differ with some real facts. However, to enter in dubious and personal remarks should not at all be tolerated on IB. However, IB seems to have turned into ideal platform for some who are solely interested in emerging as winner, even at the cost of someone else’s reputation and self-respect.

A small correction:

It has become habit of some of the prominent contributors on Instablogs to hurl abusive and personal remarks.

There is no point in silencing those men/women who beg to differ with some real facts.

Fair point Arvind, and I think most people here (you and I included) have fallen into personal attacks at one time or another, if only out of frustration lol!!

Just a precision on courts of law.

Racism, and racist propaganda, are punishable by law here. Much of what is said in the posts I am incriminating here would land their authors in court if they ever published them in print here.

That’s why the perpetrators do it online, because they can’t be touched online.

And that is why I do not discuss racist opinions, I condemn them. I have nothing to learn from, and nothing to exchange with, racism.

Thank you for your comment Abi, as well as its conclusion.

As you shall no doubt see Abi, IB is just a microcosm of the world, and that’s how it should be.

And, like the world in general, some people on IB get curious, some get upset, some get angry, some explode, some wish for peace, and some use the world-and-its-mother as a kind of whipping-boy, using vented hate and lies that say much more about their personal prejudices and intolerance than anything else.

Take your pick!

Good to see you here. Have fun with your computer html’s or whatever lol!

Notwithstanding all the creeping handicaps, some of whom you have cited, I will prefer democracy in comparison to other mode of governance. There is no substitute of democracy.

Well said H.A.

As for your question on freedom and democracy, its a fascinating one, and I suppose it depends on so many factors. Complicated question too, unless one talks about specific examples, don’t you think? (Or have I missed something....hope not).

The internet is well-known to be a safe haven for bigots and racists of all colours. These people would never have the courage to stand up and say it out loud in a public place. Not in Western countries anyway. It is not a coincidence that the net is infested by this filth.

These people are called gutless and immoral cowards where I come from......

And I have absolutely no qualms about saying so. And yes,
I would say it in public too.

Thanks for your (as usual) pertinent comment.

Bravo Anil, and I’m sure that you (and H.A. too) will appreciate, if you don’t already know, this quote, attributed to Winston Churchill;

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

Thanks for your comment

Your 2 cents make so much sense.

(Ok ok, so I’m a lousy poet lol!)

Ignorance is a key word here, true, but what makes this racism even more insidious is that some of the people I am targeting here are not ignorant in the sense ”they don’t know the facts”. No, they are the worst of all, because they know the facts all right, but they lie anyway and propagate conflict deliberately, knowingly, because they have some racist hang-up or other.

How sick is that?

About training in Pakistan, maybe I could have been a bit clearer, sorry.

What I meant was that these hate-merchants don’t even have the courage to get out there and fight for the causes they ”believe” in.

I certainly didn’t want to imply that doing it would improve things, just that, as we say here;

”Put your money (action) where your mouth is”.

Thank you so much for writing....

Oh!!

VERY interesting comment!!

Without talking about the prevalence of these people on one side or the other, may I just say...

Concerning White Supremacists,

”Rarely, except for the asinine white supremacists in the world, do westerners call for death and destruction of others”

So true. SO true. These people are the REAL fascists.

Concerning Islamic Elements,

”we see it all the time from fundamentalist/radical elements of Islam..”

(Paste/stick lol!). So true. SO true. These people are the REAL fascists.

Racist White Supremacists and Islamic Fanatics are one and the same thing!!!

More on one side than the other? I don’t know, but they are all the enemies of free thought.

Thanks again IC!! (Incognito is too long to write...)

Seeya!

So good!!!

Love it!!

Thanks.

NIce middle-class well-fed impeccably white-dressed university students posing for the camera and wishing the destruction of millions....

.... before going to get jobs in the USA.

(Wonder why all the poor Indonesians were not at their sides).

Freedom of speech.....

(?) Euhhhhh

Thanks for the link IC.

I am NOT intolerant of the ”opinion of others”, I am intolerant of racism. Your comment is insulting and childish.

Racism is not ”opinion”.

It is racism.

If you do not know the difference between the two, then what are you doing on this site?

””You hate jews? Go get training in Pakistan”?

read this, and then go to the nearest ’get-a-sense’of-humour’ shop.

”About training in Pakistan, maybe I could have been a bit clearer, sorry. What I meant was that these hate-merchants don’t even have the courage to get out there and fight for the causes they ”believe” in. I certainly didn’t want to imply that doing it would improve things, just that, as we say here; ”Put your money (action) where your mouth is”.

As you love to say, please read comments.

Anything else Hassan?

Super comment. Please submit more!! It’s so good to see someone who’s prepared to put his point of view up for everyone to read.

But may I just say that;

”The more obscurantist and passeist claptrap I see on this post, the better it puts over my own point of view.”

(Confician saying, which still holds true after thousands of years. (I added ”on this post” because, as you surely know, Confucious didn’t have access to the net). Apart from that, what he said is still, very sadly, true).

Anything else, Hassan?

Maybe I didn’t express myself clearly enough. Sorry.

Ok, I’ll say it again, using other words.

If you do not know the difference between ”opinion” and racism, and if you do not know the difference between ”nationalism” and racism,

that’s your affair.

If you think that defining racism is just a matter of semantic and intellectual interpretation,

that’s your affair too.

It just means that we should not be talking. I have nothing to say to you. Go back to the pages here on IB which think like you do. Have fun.

As for your comments concerning my sanity and what I should, or shouldn’t, be reading, thanks for the advice grandpa...

...now go drink your tea.

Anything else Hassan?

Ouf!! You’ve finally understood. Thank heavens.

So I won’t be seeing you again. Great.

But I am not a rancunious person. The proof is, if you want a good place to start on that page, I’ll even give you a link to help you on your way!!

Cool huh?!!

THe article’s called

”ISRAEL’S SLAUGHTER OF GAZANS DONE ‘HUMANITARIANLY’ ”We are calling it ’pre-emptive infanticide’, which makes it okay to kill kids!”

and here’s the link.

http://themis.instablogs.com/entry/israel-s-slaughter-of-gazans-done-humanitarianly-we-are-calling-it-pre-emptive-infanticide-which-makes-it-okay-to-kill-kids/

I’m sure you will both have a lot to discuss.

Goodbye.

But Michael dear you have certainly misunderstood;you have never seen me nor have I ever seen you.And certainly I don’t expect to see you any time soon or vice versa.But I will continue to post on Insta as well as to read you;and of course continue to comment where I feel I need to.

You shall have to stop posting if you wish me not to read or comment!!! But i shall do the favour and under take what you desire.....I will remove you from my friends and tracking list.Good bye and God Bless.

Hassan, ”dear”,

(is that the latest fashionable condescending term that you guys use in India to ”put people down”? LOL!! I only ask because I have seen it used elsewhere on posts by Indian people ....)

More ”seriously” though (irony intended, in case you have problems understanding)

I am very pleased that you have detracked and defriended me.

Thanks. I shall take that as a compliment.

And, incidentally, if there are others reading this, who don’t appreciate anti-racist sentiment at face-value, I would like to take this opportunity to cordially invite them to do do the same thing.

Why are we pulling someone’s pants down in public on the very first day of new year?..ha...ha...ha

Arvind,
Thanks for being such a kind person and a solitious peace broker.A very happy ,blessed and uplifting new year to you and your loved ones too.

Micheal could have been excused,if only he wasn’t getting so ’courageously and personally offensive’ to so many people in his blogs and comments this holiday season.

It’s the X-mass /New year season and having one too many is apt to lead to an over supply of ’Dutch courage’ ..Oops ..sorry I think I have just used another one of those quaint old British sayings which would sound so ’racist’ to even British ears now a days!

Thanks for your comment Arvind, And may I say Happy New Year to you too, and I wish all the best for 2009 to you and yours. And I’m sure you won’t mind me hijacking your comment (lol!!) to join you in saying

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL COOL GUYS AND GALS!!!!!!!

Yip!!

@ Hassan

Thanks Hassan for the ”New Year Wishes”.I hope new year unfolds close-to-heart happenings for you !!

Like to quote something from poetry of Firaq Gorakhpuri:

1.Shado-Nashad Har Tarh Ke Hai Log
Kis Pe Has Jayen,Kis Pe Ro Jaye

2. Jindagi Kya Hai Aaj Ise Ai Dost
Soch Le Aur Udas Ho Jaye
(1943)

3. Hazar Shukra Ki Mayoos Kar Diya Tune
Ye Baat Aur Thein Ki Tughse Bhi
Kuch Umeedein Thi.
(1941)

I hope you get the message right!!

LOL!

Arvind!

You are going to regret putting up the poem in your (which?) language.

Why? LOL!!!

BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO TYPE IT ALL OUT AGAIN AND SUBMIT IT IN ENGLISH, COZ I WANNA KNOW WHAT IT MEANS!!!!

Yo!!!

Seeya!

@Micahel

I don’t regret”regret putting up the poem in your (which?) language.”

However,I do regret translation! Ha..ha..ha.

Probably,Hassan who enjoys close proximity with Urdu words is in better position to translate them.

It’s very difficult to retain the sense in translated version.Still,I am going to do it only to make U understand better.

Please don’t rate the translation good or bad..ha..ha


1.Shado-Nashad Har Tarh Ke Hai Log
Kis Pe Has Jayen,Kis Pe Ro Jaye


Happy-Unhappy people surround me
I just don’t know whether to laugh at them or weep for them.

2. Jindagi Kya Hai Aaj Ise Ai Dost
Soch Le Aur Udas Ho Jaye


Time for you my friend to anticipate life as it is
And then get lost in sadness.

3. Hazar Shukra Ki Mayoos Kar Diya Tune
Ye Baat Aur Thein Ki Tughse Bhi
Kuch Umeedein Thi.

-I am happy that you disappointed me
In my heart I nurtured little expectations from U!

Thank you Arvind, for taking the trouble to translate that. It’s pretty hard-hitting stuff!!

Did the author write that for someone in particular?

Whatever, the translation is very good, incidentally LOL!!

Yo!

I have that book by my side from where I borrowed these verses.Sadly,it has no reference to the ”origin” of these verses.

Anyway, all great poets have suffered at the hands of beautiful faces...ha..ha.These verses might be attributed to one of these killer beauties...ha..ha

”Killer Beauties” LOL.

Love that Arvind.

And, you know what, you are most probably right.........

Hi H.A.

I certainly agree. I have the right to call racist writing ”filth” if I please, and they have the right to say what they wish too. (Although this site’s terms are supposed to forbid racism, pornography and other abuse). I say ”supposed to” because there is much too much racist filth on the site. Maybe we should allow porn too, in defence of free speech and democracy?

Democracy, which is not just a word where I come from, condemns racism and incitation to racism, which can lead to imrisonment for offenders. Good.

H.A., I would never give you ”advice” on how to respond to what is written on this site. If you don’t mind, I’ll respond in any way I see fit to whatever I like, and you, of course, are free to do the same. I am not a police officer, as I am advising no-one or telling IB writers not to forget what to do. You are not one either.

I have no lessons to give, or to take, but I do have things to say, in my way.

And one of those things is condemning racism.

It’s called free speech and democracy..

Seeya

have I deprived democracy from its meaning? I don’t think so.

It wasn’t in my intent to condescend any of IB members when I gave my advice.My argument is, if you have nothing ”helpful” to say, just don’t say it. I’ve seen many anti-race articles, and many comments like ”hahaha”, ”go to bed!” and others which helps only in inspiring more racism. this is when I asked you to consider my advice, paying in mind that if you did, it will not make less of you, neither more of me.

Hi H.A.

Oh, I’m sorry if you had the impression that I was saying you had deprived democracy of its meaning.

That wasn’t my intention whatsoever.

No, I was just saying how attached I am to my own view of democracy, not referring to your comments on it in any way.

(Lol! I know I can be very subtly ironically cynical sometimes, but I can assure you that this wasn’t the case. There was no inference at all).

As for saying unhelpful things, hey LOL! Don’t tell me that YOU, who’s comments I love reading, don’t do that. I mean, you say yourself that you like to provoke, sometimes, and that’s what’s fun.....LOL!!

Sometimes it does me good to do that, to be honest, and I don’t think I’m alone there lol!!

see how its always good to clarify things :)

however, I cannot remember that I have included such irritating irrelevancy in a serious debate. perhaps I may include some friendly jokes when I comment to one of ”few” member’s articles, but I have never said things such as the one cited above.

Oh, you should H.A., you really should!!

It’s real fun, try it, you’ll see.

It’s not nice to do it to friends and friendy people of course, but it works real well with creeps, racists, sexists, and idiots of all shapes and sizes.

Works every time lol!!

haha M, funny!!! Mean but funny!

As you shall no doubt see in a very short time, ”Sarah”. lol!

perhaps it is funny to do so, but it ill-befits the character of your article methinks.

I agree that there are some vacant thoughts popping up every now and then, but as for me, I try as hard as I can to stay away from commenting on those, I’d rather write an article about them and expose their false thoughts in a logical method, the way I did in this article.

http://aristotelesticus.instablogs.com/entry/utopian-isthmus%e2%80%94an-essay-on-the-origins-of-terrorism/

You’ve done it nearly the same way in this article.

H.A., you’re right.

Just read your excellent and detailed post. It hasn’t grown a day older......

Proof of a pertinent piece of analysis.

I was also struck by, seeing as we were doing the same thing, our different writing styles. It inspired a very agreeable sentiment in me, and it set me to thinking. Stuff to do with literature. I’d like to talk with you about that sometime...

It’s kinda cool thanking someone for his post on one of mine!!

YEAH!!

Amen to that Sarah.

I would just add something, if I may.

You know, I don’t really mind people coming to my page, saying things like ”your knowledge...etc” and walking away.

Why?

Because I consider that people like him, by doing and saying stuff like that, are also saying so much about who they really are.....

Yo to you Gal!!

True...
Especially if it’s on a platform available to the world!

Yip! Happy reading, humanity lol!!

People like that are all over the net, because in many countries (the very countries whose lifestyle and democratic systems they enjoy moreover) their sewer-mouthed hatred would not be tolerated.

Seeya later gurl!!!!!

Cool stuff Arvind.

Some people get a kind of perverse satisfaction out of doing that.

But, you know what?

I kinda get the feeling that some of the people you’re talking about aren’t really happy when they leave sites they comment.

That’s sad. I get the impression they come to ”win” or something.

I mean, if you wanna be a nuisance, fine!!

But, unless you do it strictly for fun, and don’t get too serious,

It comes back at ya hard when people take you head-on!!!!!!!

Seeya!

My comment ”It’s past your bedtime, young man” (or something like that) was directed at someone who had posted something I found extremely offensive.

I do not regret posting that comment at all. On the contrary.

Why?

Because this person and I have since begun what I hope shall be a friendly and fruitful dialogue on this site.

Why? Because he wrote me an extremely polite and sincere note, in which he asked me to understand the feelings which led to his posting. He also said he appreciates why I wrote this post. He did not apologise for posting. I appreciated that very much. He explained (not to be confused with justified) himself in an upright, strong and very adult manner considering his young age.

I answered to thank him for his admirable honesty. Hats off to him.

After all, nothing’s more inelegant and hypocritical than ”I apologise BUT...” is it Hassan?

This translates into my belief that ”you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs”.

Doesn’t always work, certainly, but it’s who I am.

Oh.

So, if I have read your ”contemplative/reflection process” correctly.....

”I’ve seen many anti-race articles, and many comments like ”hahaha”, ”go to bed!” and others which helps only in inspiring more racism.”

and

”this is in fact encouraging the spread of racism in the form of ’terrorism’-world wide.”

.....What you are saying in fact is that confronting racism promotes more of it, and it helps spread terrorism. In other words, we shouldn’t confront racism if we want less of it.

So the increase in racism is exacerbated by anti-racism?

So racism and terrorism are the fault of those who are against them?
_____

I said I ”read” your so-called contemplative/reflection process.

I didn’t say I understood it.

Back to the drawing-board Hassan, I’m afraid.

Go find another ”contemplative/reflection process” and please write back when you have found it.

And this time, use a little contemplation and reflection.

Michael,
You are so clever at twisting anothers words to suit your aims;how I wish you were equally good at attempting to comprehend what the other is trying to say.

But Michaelvillian... Ooops sorry .....Machiavellian thought is in fact a product of Europe - as in my view is racism....and that is what I wished you to understand .So no need for me to go back to the drawing boards as I hope you would realize after this clarification.

But since this may not be enough and you might still find something to twist here...contemplate this:
1.A great human -and Hindu-had this to say about racism. “Someone has said that Europeans in South Africa dread the advent of Islam – Islam that took the torch of light to Morocco and preached to the world the Gospel of Brotherhood. The Europeans of South Africa dread the advent of Islam as they claim equality with the white races. They may well dread it. If brotherhood is a sin, if it is equality of the colored races that they dread, then their dread is well-founded.”
Mahatma Gandhi.But Churchill your great statesman derisively termed him’that naked Indian faqir”;so perhaps you would like to contemplate these instead:
2. ”The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations.” He continues: ”The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations.”PROF. HURGRONJE
3.”It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: ’God Alone is Great’... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother.”
(S. Naidu, IDEALS OF ISLAM, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)
3.”My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.”
(M.H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York, 1978, p. 33)

Of course all these writers in different ways are emphasising the importance of the universal brotherhood of man and the right of all classes and races to dignity and justice which Muhammad(Pbuh) emphasised and established within his life time.

Further Michael I wish you to contemplate how during the colonial era
western racists established another group of Zionist racists amongst such a people -and continue to support them to this day.And further how this could have-and I think did in fact-re-awaken racist reaction amongst the Arabs and Muslims.

I think even you will now understand what I was trying to state.At least I hope you do understand this ,even if you don’t agree- which I know you will not.

”Machiavellian thought is in fact a product of Europe - as in my view is racism....and that is what I wished you to understand”.

I understand that only too well.

”I wish you to contemplate how during the colonial era
western racists established another group of Zionist racists amongst such a people -and continue to support them to this day.And further how this could have-and I think did in fact-re-awaken racist reaction amongst the Arabs and Muslims”.

I understand that only too well.

In other words, racism is a product of the western world, (which means that racism didn’t exist for the thousands of years of human existence that preceded the Western world’s creation) and that those Arabs and Muslims who are racist are only racist because Westerners are.

You get funnier and more original with every comment you send to this post.

Well, I’d rather read that than be blind, I suppose.

Michael’
And yet again you fail to see the obvious:
How does it matter if racism existed foe zillions of years before Europe perfected it ...or even relavent to what I state which is so simple... The Arabs eliminated racism in all their lands world over;it is European colonial powers which re-introduced it the region.

You fail to challenge the truth of this obvious statement and instead persist in your Michalean logic and attitude.

Ok, so Europeans perfected racism after Arabs had eliminated it.

C’mon!!

If you think ANY transnational culture EVER eliminated racism, even for a day, you obviously haven’t read the PRE-western history of, (and this is what’s ironic, seeing as this post discusses Arab/Jew racism) THE ARABS AND THE JEWS THEMSELVES!!!

Racism has existed as long as mankind has. From the ”other” ”enemy” tribe of thousands of years ago to modern times.

Not only do you hold racist opinions, but you compound and justify them by reinventing the history of mankind.

Am I supposed to conclude from that that you are also a Historical Revisionist and an Obscurantist to boot.

Impressive stuff!! And it gets better each time you write LOL!!

Truth? Obvious? You said it.

Oh, and I shall take your ”Michalean logic” observation as a compliment and use it in future posts. I would, of course, be prepared to pay royalties for the use of that epithet. I am a hard, but fair, man.

(Phew!! Don’t you EVER get tired? Do you need attention Hassan? Why don’t you go and do nice things with your wife, or girlfriend. They are good at giving attention, and their attention is MUCH more fun that mine, believe me!!)

I would certainly agree with that Vishal! But not enough people do talk, I’m afraid. You can see that everywhere, and in the most surprising places too, given the number of calls for the destruction of Israel that have surfaced here on IB, dressed as ”opinion”, and that are extremely popular, it seems. A couple of days ago, four of the top ten articles on IB were in that vein, for a while. Very sad to see.....

Vishal,

So very true.

Hi Incognito!!

Hope you’re well.

Yes, I saw your excellent post come up, but haven’t had the time to read it properly yet. Too busy typing here like a madman. HELP LOL!!!
AND, I get accused of not wanting to give people the right to express themselves???!!! LOL.

This post has been commented to smithereens, to bits!! I mean there are over 100 comments on this thing!! Hey, GIMME A BREAK LOL!!!

(Sigh - some people can be SO demanding...snif).

I have pop out for a short while. I’ll be on your post when I get back. Promise. A change is as good as a rest, as they say!!

Yay!!

Yours,

He-who’s-fingers-are-killing-him-boo-hoo!!

and that’s exactly why I feel the need to counter those with posts of my own.��Very sad! �

I must disagree with you Vishal...according to history, and if enough people really know the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, I really doubt there’s an EQUAL amount of people wishing for Israel’s prosperity as those wishing for it’s end.

I also don’t see why disagreement is necessary for a healthy debate, if both writer and reader happen to agree, then so be it, and then it wouldn’t be a debate.

Well, my take on that Vishal, and I hope you’ll excuse the humouristic tone here LOL!, Is that how can you debate the existence of a country? I mean, I may be a little dumb sometimes, but what is there to DISCUSS? After all, it’s not as if you can reach a compromise here. You can’t have HALF a country, for example, can you?. Either a country exists or it doesn’t in my view. Without that understanding a priori, nothing’s possible. I mean, would you be prepared to discuss the existence, or not, of India? You can’t talk about ”de-existing”, or not, a COUNTRY!! (Unless I’ve missed something here...)

Moreover, that’s the whole point of the legitimate Palestinian claim to exist as a country, isn’t it? I support that view 100%, and I sincerely hope that the Palestinian people get what they want, need, and deserve.

Their country has every right to exist, as does Israel. Those two peoples, tightly linked by history, have shared that land for a very long time.

So of course there should be discussions on where the borders are, but, I’m sorry, if I was an Israeli, I wouldn’t even dream of negotiating with anyone about the existence of my country.

Just as the Palestinians shouldn’t be forced to negotiate at the point of a gun, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate at the point of the gun of its existence or not.

And that’s why I personally think negotiation SHOULD remain impossible until Hamas erases the clause in its constitution which questions the existence of Israel.

And I hope they do that as soon as possible, for the sake of both the Palestinian and the Israeli people.

Thanks for your comment Vishel!!

Hi Sarah!!

I would agree that, amongst those who talk about the question, many more people in the world appear to question Israel’s right to exist than otherwise.

And it’s CERTAINLY true if Instablogs is a real reflection of world opinion.

Thanks....

It would still be a debate with those who happen to disagree. So as Vishal said so reasonably to have a healthy debate the real issue is that we need to have and learn to live with more people who share conflicting opinions... unless you are the dictatorial type like some here who prefer no debate.No?

I don’t know how often I have to come back here to say this, because it would seem that some readers of this post are not capable of understanding plain, clear and uniquivocal english, but..

The real issue is ANYTHING BUT trying to find the solution to the question of Israel’s existence or not.

I don’t ”discuss” any compromise with anyone who would question the right of Israel to exist. Period.

I don’t ”discuss” anything with racists, some of whom are so pervertedly and terminally moronic that they are even capable of wanting to question what racism is or is not, in order to change what racism is defined as.

Racism is Racism. Period.

The Constitution of the Hamas organisation specifically does not recognise the existence of Israel, or its right to exist.

Therefore I do not think that Israel should ”discuss” anything with this organisation until they change their Constitution.

If anyone thinks that I am dumb enough to fall into the ”you discuss nothing so you are of the dictatorial type” twisted logic, they’d better think again.

Are we supposed to discuss the fors and againsts of the Holocaust too? Or maybe legalising pedophilia? Or how about the right of children from five up to carry guns? Or the mandatory euthanasia of those over 65, to help the world’s demographic problem?

All in the name of ”discussion”, or ”dialogue”?

There is NOTHING to discuss here. NOTHING.

Not until Hamas agrees to delete this clause from its constitution.

Anything ”discussion” of anything else is sterile intellectual bullshit, and shall remain so, until Hamas sees reason.

That’s very true Michael. And I would venture to say, as I have�in�the past, that Instablogs is a microcosm of the world, so y es.. a true reflection of world opinion. �Confessions Of A Closet Republican www.republicaninthearts.blogspot.com

So Hassan, pray tell, where do women stand in this wonderful democratic system??? �Confessions Of A Closet Republican www.republicaninthearts.blogspot.com

What on earth is circular about sayng ”racism is racism. I don’t discuss anything with racists who want to question what racism is”?

It means that for me, racism IS. You may not agree, but there’s certainly nothing ”circular” about that.

Go and find something else in my comments to contest.

Phew. Tiring you are.......

of course I agree there is nothing circular in this..it is just plain old bigatory.Except when I relate it to other views of such a person like freedom of speech,and every one on the forum having the right to his comments and views.”Period’.

Hey it’s over?!?!?!
PHEW!!!!

�I can show you some...

Hello Osaid,

and thanks for writing.

”No calls for hatred”?

I could send you dozens if you wish.

Incognito would do it even better than me. She researches a lot, and is good at it.

”Hatred”?

Just ask, and thou shalt be served.

Peace to you.

Tell me about it!!

Mind you, despite the ups and downs of commenting it, it really has been very rewarding in many ways, and it’s been a good and revealing debate.

Just one thing though.

Do you have a cure for very tired fingers?

”Stop typing”? That’s very easy to say.

I was brought up to be polite.

I remember my father telling me (I think it was in 1965)

”When you get comments on IB posts, you should answer them”

He was a true visionary.

I didn’t understand what he meant then, but I do now....

Heh, the post that never dies.....:-) it just up and resurrects itself..

�yeah... it certainly does reveal much. as for a tired finger cure....� stop typing... ;-)

He probably meant Irritable Bowel posts.� :-)